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Old 02-26-2011, 06:15 PM
 
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In general, a country's economic development equals its educational development, at least in the most superficial of measurements popular among young people indoctrinated into this way of thinking by their conventionally minded parents. So maybe the answer to your "dilemma" is to go to Tokyo, as other advise.

As for Ryuji, however, please understand that his "Tokyo U. > Kyoto U. > Osaka U. > Seoul U." schematic is a great simplification. First of all, he is a coward for failing to add Keio and Waseda Universities to his ranking--out of fear of the analytic complexity that would result, no doubt. He wants to be a good little bureaucrat-headed boy by placing at the pyramid's top only the two government universities that wannabe bureaucrats slave through high school to get into, in order to land mindless but cushy government jobs after graduation.

Secondly, his "I'm sorry but…" is entirely insincere. You have in no way indicated that your dreams would be crushed if someone suggested that you not go to Korea--in fact, to the contrary, you begin your post by announcing your commitment to Tokyo: "I shall study in the University of Tokyo next year." In his simplistic low ranking of Seoul U, Ryuji joins the majority of Japanese in looking down on almost everything Korean (except their low-priced sex trade).

Tiger Beer, while also negative toward Korea, at least takes the trouble to show that his opinions are based on significant personal experience, unlike Ryuji, who is satisfied to ejaculate a single paternalistic "No" (ergo, question solved, no reasoning required).

What you need to think about is the difference between the way most Japanese see Japan's university system (a very "tate-shakai" view, almost caste-like) and the way a non-Japanese may view the same system--which is bound to be very different, and will no doubt vary according to your country of origin and your professional goals. For most foreign students, life abroad is more of a personal experience than strictly a career ladder (especially outside technical fields).

You let us know your gender and you hint about your age, but I can't figure out where you have grown up so far, other than the fact that you are not a native writer of English. You also hide from us your academic goals--PhD in nuclear medicine? So, with so little to go on, for my own two cents I would simply suggest that you look first at the language you want to learn, since that will be your biggest challenge.

Beyond that, however, I urge you to learn more about both countries from sources other than an online forum. You seem to have made up your mind to study in one of these two countries while remaining incredibly ignorant about both. If I were your parent, I would be very worried about letting you leave home.

I am very cautious regarding what information should I post; so that is the reason. When I write in a forum I do not use all the rules neither in english, french or spanish. I use high standard english when I write and speak; but I do not think it is necessary to use it in a forum too(that is my point of view).

I am a very cautious and analytical person; so it is obvious that I have investigated everything I can about these two countries. The reason why I made this thread is because I want to know the opinion of people that have lived in these countries; because I want more specific information. It is obvious that the points of view shall vary from person to person; but I do not think it is bad to take in consideration the points of view of everyone and to respect them too.

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thanks for answering, I really appreciate it; even though, you were a little rude.
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Old 02-26-2011, 07:09 PM
 
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[quote=eskercurve;18024806]If you can get into Tokyo U. ... you do realize you will have to learn Japanese? Or do you intend on studying it to gain proficiency? If you already have decent English skills, why not apply to American universities? MIT, Stanford, Yale, UC-Berkely, and even Purdue have excellent Math schools. Or what about universities in the UK?


I am currently learning Japanese. And I did take in consideration universities in the UK; but unfortunately, they do not offer the career that I am interested in. I am not trying to be arrogant, but I have a high standard english, french, and spanish. And use it when I write or speak; the reason why I do not use it in a forum, is because I do not consider it necessary.

Thanks for answering, I really appreciate it.

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Old 02-26-2011, 08:59 PM
 
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I shall study in the University of Tokyo next year I have particularly chosen this prestigious university due to the fact it is one of the world's best universities. There are other remarkable facts too some of them are that Japanese people are very friendly(I have heard) and that Japan is a beautiful country. I am concern because since a few days ago I have developed a great uneasiness regarding wether to go to Japan or South Korea, Seoul to study. I like Japan but I like South Korea too; so I do not know what to do. Can you please provide me with detail information regarding these two beautiful countries. Information that contains how is the life over there, people(how does everyone react to foreigners, are they friendly to us?), expenses, if there is in Seoul a university that is at the same level of the University of Tokyo(really important), if it is safe for a young lady to live alone, if young people are open minded towards beign friendly to a foreigner(important since in the university almost everyone shall be my age, which means I shall have to interact with young people), food, clothe, weather, etc. Is Seoul National University at the same level of Tokyo University?

If you can answer me, I shall really appreciate it.

Sorry for my grammar mistakes. I tend to do everything really fast; so when I read it thoroughly, I realized of the mistakes I made. Some of them wether(whether), detail information(detailed information)...
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Old 02-27-2011, 01:17 AM
 
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"Tokyo U. > Kyoto U. > Osaka U. > Seoul U." is based on 2011 Top Universities in the world, Rankings of Universities by U.S.News*

Where are Keio and Waseda at all? They are not on the list of 1-100.

Waseda is #182, Keio is #206.

Seoul U. is #47.

Tokyo U. > Kyoto U. > Osaka U. > Seoul U. >>>>>>>> Waseda > Keio.

I'm feeling sorry for those who thought Keio and Waseda were better than Seoul Univ
For about a quarter century U.S.News & World Report has been owned and closely managed by Mortimer Zuckerman, who is no doubt very smart when it comes to making millions in the real estate business but whose publishing intelligence is less than stellar. With the rise of Internet news distribution, his far right-wing magazine has had even greater trouble than its chief rivals, Time and Newsweek. This hasn't kept Zuckerman from becoming a pal to war-mongering Bush II.

Back in the eighties, to increase readership, the magazine got the bright idea to "sell" annual rankings of universities. These have been a huge (but temporary) hit with anxious parents of college-bound high-school students. In American academic circles, the magazine's rankings are something of a sick seasonal joke (mainly for their subjectivity and simplistic mind-set, but those who want to learn more are urged to do a Google search on "rankings of American colleges and universities").

More recently Zuckerman has joined forces with other non-educators to create world-wide rankings of universities, resulting in even less believability. One small section I looked at randomly ranks a university in each of these countries exactly "one step" above the next: Spain>Germany>Japan>Italy>China>Netherlands>Belgiu m>Thailand>United Kingdom.

This kind of illusion of rationality in ranking universities is almost as crazy as would be a religious rankings of a thousand Christian, Buddhist, Muslim, and Jewish saints (to name just four groups) from number one to number 1000 according to numerical closeness to the Devine!

Or imagine that you are a successful professional male in the market for a bride but incapable, so far, of falling in love. You hear that Zuckerman has just published a ranking of 50,000 available females, from 125+ countries, between the ages of 15 (yes, because this is an international survey) and 25. Each female has been given points for family background (daddy's wealth and political contacts, mommy's household leadership skills, the grandparents' overall closeness to the rich and to royalty, etc), her health (especially reproductive organs, menstrual cycle, bone strength and teeth quality), her breast size and shape (extra points for plump but perky, for example), her education (especially languages, dancing, cooking, fashion), her facial characteristics (computer analysis based on principles of female beauty first described by Michelangelo, such as distance from eyes to lips), characteristics of her genitals (not just intact virginity but shape of labia, potential "gripping" ability of vagina as shown on X-ray, etc.). All the data are fed into a computer for a preliminary score, then a small panel of male experts adds an additional 25 percent of the final score, a subjective judgment based on online video interviews (divided into swim suit portion, talent portion, etc).

Now if you are a "rational" and "serious" young man like commenter Ryuji, you will spent hours pouring over Zuckerman's rankings and choose the highest-ranked female you can afford. If you are a normal male, however, you will skip Zuckerman's game, start dating more, develop your social skills and male intuition, study the world's best art and literature, and occasionally talk to trusted friends and mentors.
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Old 02-27-2011, 05:57 AM
 
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My sister teaches in Japan, but I don't get the sense from her Japanese guys are particularly good dating material. I mean every nationality has a diversity of people, male or female, but I've read Japanese women themselves are delaying marriage because they don't care for the guys available. Rightly or wrongly I think they're criticized as either being tyrants or mama's boys. Maybe it's worse in Korea, but I wouldn't think Japan is particularly better going by what I've heard or read. I seem to recall there are some islands of Korea where the guys are kind of used to a "strong woman" even.
May not just be the dudes that's causing this effect. I think some/many are holding out for a top catch. There also may be less pressure to marry young just as it is in big cities in most other developed countries now.

But if we want to blame dudes, you forgot about the "herbivore" phenomenon that is discussed a lot in Japanese media. But again, I think the fashion portion of this "problem" is related to the women spending more time and money on their appearance as well. So many seem inaccessible, so what can a dude do? I personally think both sexes would really benefit from toning it down a few notches, but then Tokyo would need to offer new daytime hobbies for people to replace shopping to use up their time and money. Don't expect anything like that under the long serving right-wing governor of Tokyo. Life in Tokyo is work and shopping. You are what you wear/own.

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Old 02-28-2011, 01:00 AM
 
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Now if you are a "rational" and "serious" young man like commenter Ryuji, you will spent hours pouring over Zuckerman's rankings and choose the highest-ranked female you can afford. If you are a normal male, however, you will skip Zuckerman's game, start dating more, develop your social skills and male intuition, study the world's best art and literature, and occasionally talk to trusted friends and mentors.
blah blah. How do you evaluate your social skills?


http://edu.scorenavi.com/gakubu/hensa/gid6/

I believe this list has nothing to do with Zuckerman.


BTW, Free State Project - Liberty in Our Lifetime must fit your taste.
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Old 02-28-2011, 04:15 AM
 
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Why not? Is there some sort of cultural macho-ness thing or something? PM me if you wish. I am sincerely curious.
Yes, there is.

I've lived in both Korea and Japan.
Korea is cheaper, but the language is very harsh. Excellent food, fun to travel around, cheap flights to everywhere.

Japan is expensive, culturally fun. Excellent food, fun to travel around especially on the fast trains, expensive flights to anywhere.
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Old 02-28-2011, 10:15 PM
 
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Yes, there is.

I've lived in both Korea and Japan.
Korea is cheaper, but the language is very harsh. Excellent food, fun to travel around, cheap flights to everywhere.

Japan is expensive, culturally fun. Excellent food, fun to travel around especially on the fast trains, expensive flights to anywhere.
Out of my curiosity, do you mean harsh as in the accent or the way of expressions(swearing a lot, etc.?)??
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Old 03-01-2011, 03:03 AM
 
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Out of my curiosity, do you mean harsh as in the accent or the way of expressions(swearing a lot, etc.?)??
The accent. It sometimes sounds like they're being rude (to a US ear) but they're not. Hangul is just a harsh-sounding language to my ear.
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Old 03-01-2011, 03:09 AM
 
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The accent. It sometimes sounds like they're being rude (to a US ear) but they're not. Hangul is just a harsh-sounding language to my ear.
As a person who also lived in both Japan and Korea.

I strongly agree!

Especially among the older males, sometimes sounds like they got a big wad of saliva stuck in the back of their throats

Of my foreigner friends who ended up speaking very fluent Korea, they seem to master that as well. Sounds kind of funny at times, as if they are making fun of it when they do, but it's just the sound you gotta make.
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