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Old 03-06-2011, 11:02 PM
 
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What neglects to point out about the prison population in NK is they don't live long enough to have an overwhelming prison population. They barely get fed, get no medical help and get shot for the slightest infraction.

It is probably the most barbaric country on the earth right now.

It's main economic activities are selling weapons to dodgy countries and terrorists plus selling drugs and counterfeit currencies to criminals.

We have every right to be concerned about North Korea, they'll gladly put NBC material in the hands of terrorists for a price. The threat to South Korea still exists as well.

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Old 03-07-2011, 04:47 AM
 
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Yes , I am.
And not only North Korea : people tend to forget that many countries have still a Communist Party in power, even if they don't compare to the North Korean dictatorship :
China
Nepal
Vietnam
Laos
Cambodia
Cuba
Bielorussia
Nicaragua (sandinistas)
Venezuela (Chavez)
Myanmar (military dictatorship supported by China)
And what about Bolivia and Brazil, with left-leaning socialists in power?
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Old 03-07-2011, 07:26 AM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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Okay you really are just "anti-US dictatorships are always better than the US" kind of guy. You have a right to that and if it works for you that's fine. I don't know why you live in the US though, I'm not "love it or leave it" (or even patriotic at all) but if you outright hate a place it's sad to be stuck there, but I guess maybe you can't afford to leave. I hope that can change.

Although I'm likely risking an infraction here I think what's also sad is you managed to get so many reps. It kind of makes me question the whole system or what kind of people post here. Oh well maybe I'm too judgmental. Buh-bye.
I don't know why people keep saying things like this. This thread is not about the USA, it is about NK being a threat, and I merely explained that they have never, in their nation's history, done anything that would suggest that they are any kind of threat at all, but are accused of being a threat primarily by Americans, who, over and over again, freely elect a government that is in fact the ONLY genuine threat to attack a distant nation.

America is my country, and I have a patriotic duty to advocate for policy that would make America a safer and more trusted member of a peaceful international community, for our own good. I am an American, most of my readers here are Americans, and when I see posts here in which Americans make such outrageous and unsustainable charges and accusation against another nation, it seems perfectly appropriate to reference familiar American principles in order to widen the understanding of the thread.

By the way, I don't see what you said as a personal attack --- you are not nearly as bad as a lot of others. As for my reps, they come not from people who have prejudices that match with I say, but from posters who have recognized over the years that I say what I believe to be right, not what I believe to follow a certain ideology. Some of them are for recipes in the Food Forum, not always for politically charged comments.

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Old 03-07-2011, 08:37 PM
 
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This thread is not about the USA, it is about NK being a threat, and I merely explained that they have never, in their nation's history, done anything that would suggest that they are any kind of threat at all...


I think South Koreans will beg to differ, especially the ones who were old enough to remember how the Korean War began, or more recent events, like this incident, or this one. What a peaceful bunch indeed!

Now you may say that US has done things worse than that and I would say you're probably right, but...

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...accused of being a threat primarily by Americans, who, over and over again, freely elect a government that is in fact the ONLY genuine threat to attack a distant nation.
I'm not an American (well technically I am now ) but back when I was a European I didn't need US government to tell me that NK is a rogue state with a ruthless dictator in charge, I knew that long before I knew what Fox News is.

You see, the aggressive foreign politics of one country does not give a free pass to the other. So "we do stuff like that too" isn't much of an argument. Kim Jong Il, Ahmadinejad and Hugo Chavez are not gonna become lesser tyrants and dictators because of America's foreign affairs, flawed justice system, bad correctional facilities or any other external factor.
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Old 03-08-2011, 12:22 PM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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I think South Koreans will beg to differ, especially the ones who were old enough to remember how the Korean War began, or more recent events, like this incident, or this one. What a peaceful bunch indeed.

. . . So "we do stuff like that too" isn't much of an argument. . . .

. . . Ahmadinejad and Hugo Chavez are not gonna become lesser tyrants and dictators .
I've already addressed the two incidents you described, both of which took place in territory in which there is legitimate international disagreement about the sovereignty according to the partition treaty of Korea.

None of the people responsible for the Korean War are still alive, so you can't blame any living person or group of people for that. Please limit your remarks to the current government of North Korea, and lay blame only for what they have done.

Which still leaves you with exactly zero credible citations that can be used to argue that NK's present regime has any interest in meddling in the affairs of any other country, much less attacking it.

Hugo Chavez was freely elected and re-elected by a majority of his citizens in fair and impartial, multi-partisan elections, and he has not done a single thing during his term of office that is in conflict with his nation's constitution. He is required to step down after his present term of office. Get back to us if he refuses to, and we will reconsider whether he is a tyrant and dictator. The same goes for Ahmadinejad, who doesn't even have any political clout within his own country, he is mostly just a visible figurehead responsible for the execution of policy established by the actual ruling committee. His replacement will be freely and fairly elected when his present term expires. I'm afraid the examples you have chosen indicate that you don't really know much of anything about the affairs of state in the rest of the world.

"We do stuff like that too" should certainty be an argument for you to direct your attention and complaints against policies that you are empowered to do something yourself to repair. Instead of just railing against affairs that you know nothing about and can't think of any way to influence except with blind and pointless spilling of blood.

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