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Old 12-09-2011, 10:03 PM
 
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I saw this program tonight on ABC 20/20, and was aghast at what the nation of India is doing to its female population. Watch..Disgusting.....


Women Pregnant With Girls Pressured Into Abortions in India - ABC News
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Old 12-09-2011, 11:38 PM
 
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It's not the Indian leaders and legislators who have forced this condition on the people. India is a free country with free and fair elections and like the USA,, it has the leaders and legislators that are put into office by the electorate.

Indian culture, for centuries, has harbored the traditions that girl children are a financial burden because a husband for them is traditionally bought for a high price. A family cannot afford to have very many girls. That is not something new that has been rammed through by the current government.

If you feel so strongly that something must be done to repair this thousand-year-old cultural practice, quit your job and hop on a plane and go over there and convince a billion people to abandon their culture and assume yours. Tell them you come from a civilized country where fetuses are not aborted, because you have already cleaned up your own country--- no doubt they will listen to you. And force poor women to have daughter after daughter, no matter how much financial ruin it casts on her family.

Just because a news reader with big hair reads "Tsk-tsk!" off the teleprompter, doesn't mean that the whole world is "disgusting" and crying out for your protest.

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Old 12-10-2011, 01:00 PM
 
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I can go with shame for individuals and institutions in India who push women into having abortions, as long as we're also keeping some shame for Christian organisations that seek to limit access to pregnancy control and to criminalise abortion...
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Old 12-10-2011, 01:44 PM
 
Location: Viña del Mar, Chile
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It's not the Indian leaders and legislators who have forced this condition on the people. India is a free country with free and fair elections and like the USA,, it has the leaders and legislators that are put into office by the electorate.

Indian culture, for centuries, has harbored the traditions that girl children are a financial burden because a husband for them is traditionally bought for a high price. A family cannot afford to have very many girls. That is not something new that has been rammed through by the current government.

If you feel so strongly that something must be done to repair this thousand-year-old cultural practice, quit your job and hop on a plane and go over there and convince a billion people to abandon their culture and assume yours. Tell them you come from a civilized country where fetuses are not aborted, because you have already cleaned up your own country--- no doubt they will listen to you. And force poor women to have daughter after daughter, no matter how much financial ruin it casts on her family.

Just because a news reader with big hair reads "Tsk-tsk!" off the teleprompter, doesn't mean that the whole world is "disgusting" and crying out for your protest.
Jtur, I'm not saying you're 100% wrong, but it is that type of mentality that holds back any sort of change and exactly the type of thoughts that close minded biggots hold on to, to allow them to further their agenda. The views of many Indian people truly are sick, they control the lives of their children even after marriage. Their entire culture is based on how things are on the surface, families are outcasted because someone marries outside of a certain caste or takes a job that is different from what everyone views as what they should have been.

I understand the point you were trying to make, but man, something about that culture really gets under my skin, and then people trying to justify it just drives me crazy

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Old 12-10-2011, 01:55 PM
 
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Jtur, I'm not saying you're 100% wrong, but it is that type of mentality that holds back any sort of change and exactly the type of thoughts that close minded biggots hold on to, to allow them to further their agenda. The views of most Indian people truly are sick, they control the lives of their children even after marriage. Their entire culture is based on how things are on the surface, families are outcasted because someone marries outside of a certain caste or takes a job that is different from what everyone views as what they should have been.

I understand the point you were trying to make, but man, something about that culture really gets under my skin, and then people trying to justify it just drives me crazy
Perhaps the "biggot" is not always the other guy.
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Old 12-10-2011, 02:18 PM
 
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Perhaps the "biggot" is not always the other guy.
Say what you want about me, but if you were around it and saw everything about how things went out there you'd agree with me.
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Old 12-10-2011, 08:10 PM
 
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Jtur, I'm not saying you're 100% wrong, but it is that type of mentality that holds back any sort of change and exactly the type of thoughts that close minded biggots hold on to, to allow them to further their agenda. The views of many Indian people truly are sick, they control the lives of their children even after marriage. Their entire culture is based on how things are on the surface, families are outcasted because someone marries outside of a certain caste or takes a job that is different from what everyone views as what they should have been.

I understand the point you were trying to make, but man, something about that culture really gets under my skin, and then people trying to justify it just drives me crazy
I understand this to mean that any one who does not advocate your own personal preferences for cultural attributes is a bigot. All countries in the world are bigots, until they adopt all American standards of social and cultural relationships. Especially the ones that get under YOUR skin.

There were historical cultural reasons why India developed their social customs. If you would sit down and have an intelligent, educated, articulate Indian explain that to you, instead of just pointing a finger at him and screaming "bigot".

Do you have any idea how "sick" Christian and American customs seem, to people who have not been indoctrinated by Christian dogma? How do you think Indians feel about American alcoholism, pornography, divorce rate, teenage sex and capital punishment, none of which exist in their country? Do you think the thought of living like that might get under their skin?
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Say what you want about me, but if you were around it and saw everything about how things went out there you'd agree with me.
Which parts of India have you visited or traveled in? Not all areas have the same customs.
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Old 12-10-2011, 08:17 PM
 
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I saw this program tonight on ABC 20/20, and was aghast at what the nation of India is doing to its female population. Watch..Disgusting.....


Women Pregnant With Girls Pressured Into Abortions in India - ABC News
Agreed....
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Old 12-10-2011, 09:51 PM
 
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I understand this to mean that any one who does not advocate your own personal preferences for cultural attributes is a bigot. All countries in the world are bigots, until they adopt all American standards of social and cultural relationships. Especially the ones that get under YOUR skin.

There were historical cultural reasons why India developed their social customs. If you would sit down and have an intelligent, educated, articulate Indian explain that to you, instead of just pointing a finger at him and screaming "bigot".

Do you have any idea how "sick" Christian and American customs seem, to people who have not been indoctrinated by Christian dogma? How do you think Indians feel about American alcoholism, pornography, divorce rate, teenage sex and capital punishment, none of which exist in their country? Do you think the thought of living like that might get under their skin?

Which parts of India have you visited or traveled in? Not all areas have the same customs.
I traveled to Mumbai and dated an Indian girl for two years. I have seen how the families of her friends function, I've seen how the people around her function and I've seen how her own family functions. I have seen people treated like dirt, simply beacause of the job or soemthing that other people have done.


I'm sorry, but if you saw the treatment of women in those countries, or you saw the caste system and the racism involved in it, you'd be annoyed too.

Trying to say that stuff is alright is no different than trying to justify the behaivor of the people back in the 1950s in USA. You can paint a color over discrimination and racism however you want, but it always shines through.

This doesn't have anything to do with me trying to push my "american views" but I am quite sure that I've seen the indian culture a lot more in depth than someone who has simply traveled there.
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Old 12-10-2011, 10:07 PM
 
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Personally, I just don’t see how India would be such a corrupted country with a lot of corrupted people.

So many of the people I met in the USA of Indian descent(In New York City, Seattle, Los Angeles metros and plenty of other areas too) seem like such great people that are progressive, intellectual, and non-corrupted.

Out of all the ethnicities/nationalities of people in the USA I encountered, people of Indian descent are generally some of my favorite people.

A lot of my favorite Americans/USA citizens/people that live in America etc. that I encountered are of French, Scandinavian (Sweden, Norway, Denmark), German, Polish, Dutch, Canadian, Australian, Indian, Chinese, Thai, Japanese, and Korean descent.

However, every country/ethnicity has good people, people in the middle, bad people etc.

Plus, different types of corruption can still happen in most countries.
Most countries can have huge regional differences between different areas of the country. I assume India has plenty of less corrupted areas, and then areas that are much more corrupted.



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I traveled to Mumbai and dated an Indian girl for two years. I have seen how the families of her friends function, I've seen how the people around her function and I've seen how her own family functions. I have seen people treated like dirt, simply beacause of the job or soemthing that other people have done.

I'm sorry, but if you saw the treatment of women in those countries, or you saw the caste system and the racism involved in it, you'd be annoyed too.

Trying to say that stuff is alright is no different than trying to justify the behaivor of the people back in the 1950s in USA. You can paint a color over discrimination and racism however you want, but it always shines through.

This doesn't have anything to do with me trying to push my "american views" but I am quite sure that I've seen the indian culture a lot more in depth than someone who has simply traveled there.
Sorry, but I just don’t believe what you said.

There are plenty of people I know that seem to know India well, traveled there, etc. and they would not agree with you for the most part.
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