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Old 06-01-2014, 09:41 PM
 
Location: Jersey
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I've talk to some Arab women and all of them defend their life style and social norms.
At the end of the day, happiness usually depends on whether they can find a good man. It is true in all countries in the world. Many American women are single moms, or have had a divorce. I don't know if they are really happier for having more "choices".
This is the case in all traditional societies. Most of the feminists from these countries tend to frame their feminism within the context of traditional values. Things like bra burning, nude protests, and "sexual empowerment" don't really interest them and might even horrify them, lol.
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Old 06-02-2014, 11:09 AM
 
Location: Taipei
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I've talk to some Arab women and all of them defend their life style and social norms.
At the end of the day, happiness usually depends on whether they can find a good man. It is true in all countries in the world. Many American women are single moms, or have had a divorce. I don't know if they are really happier for having more "choices".
A society where women's happiness entirely depends on whether they can find a good man instantly equals to an extremely unfair society.And it is certainly not true in all countries in the world.

In other countries with ok women rights(I didn't say equal because currently there are only like 10 countries where they can call themselves equal),women don't have to get married or be in a relationship to "fulfill" the so-called happiness.They can be single and fabulous,if they want children,they can adopt or find some sperm donors.They can have their own great careers-probably harder than men in most countries because most of the people are still sexists,but they have a shot-all by their own,and be completely happy with them.
American,Canadian,French,Japanese,Korean,Chinese women can all be single and happy,however in UAE,women hardly have these kinds of opportunities.

Not to mention that women should be able to get married with another woman if they want,unfortunately in most places they can't.

Being a single mom is extremely difficult and hard,no one says it's easy,but being stuck in a marriage with an abusive husband or domestic violence like LOTS of Arabic women are,is five million times more miserable.
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Old 06-02-2014, 11:27 AM
 
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A society where women's happiness entirely depends on whether they can find a good man instantly equals to an extremely unfair society.And it is certainly not true in all countries in the world.
It is just human nature. Most women will be happy if they can just find a good man.
Men and women are different, though SOME leftist activists try to deny it. Most women in Arab countries are not stuck in miserable marriage either.
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Old 06-02-2014, 11:34 AM
 
Location: Taipei
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It is just human nature. Most women will be happy if they can just find a good man.
Men and women are different, though SOME leftist activists try to deny it. Most women in Arab countries are not stuck in miserable marriage either.
Oh really?
The Arab American News - Overcoming domestic violence: Arab women discuss their experiences
"Three local Arab Americans are opening up about their previous marriages that were plagued by domestic violence for more than a decade. Despite enduring physical and verbal abuse for so long, they’re confident, empowered and determined to launch successful careers through college."

Actually I think you're gonna say something like "oh that's just 3 women".
Google "abusive arabian husbands",there are tons of articles.

Your "human nature" has seriously outdated,figure out another one.Or spread it all over the forums and see how female posters feel about it.

And I've never said men and women were the same.
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Old 06-02-2014, 12:13 PM
 
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Oh really?
The Arab American News - Overcoming domestic violence: Arab women discuss their experiences
"Three local Arab Americans are opening up about their previous marriages that were plagued by domestic violence for more than a decade. Despite enduring physical and verbal abuse for so long, they’re confident, empowered and determined to launch successful careers through college."

Actually I think you're gonna say something like "oh that's just 3 women".
Google "abusive arabian husbands",there are tons of articles.

Your "human nature" has seriously outdated,figure out another one.Or spread it all over the forums and see how female posters feel about it.

And I've never said men and women were the same.
How many American women are victims of domestic violence then? Find the data and compare it with data from Arabian countries.

How many American women are raped every day?

People are less educated in those countries (compared to Americans), so you should compare people with the same level of education too. e.g. American men with a college degree vs Arabians with a college degree.
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Old 06-02-2014, 12:24 PM
 
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Isn't gender imbalance a huge problem all over Asia. Not only Arab countries, but India and China have a huge imbalance. In China it is something like 60 million more boys than girls because of selective abortion. When you think of this number in terms as the population of England as having only a male population, you can see the potential for big problems ahead for China.
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Old 06-02-2014, 12:50 PM
 
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Isn't gender imbalance a huge problem all over Asia. Not only Arab countries, but India and China have a huge imbalance. In China it is something like 60 million more boys than girls because of selective abortion. When you think of this number in terms as the population of England as having only a male population, you can see the potential for big problems ahead for China.
In China the imbalance is found in rural areas for the most part.

Where did you get 60 million? I think the ratio is like 118:100 among children. If 60 million is true, there must be 726 million boys and girls in total? The total population is only 1.3 billion and the number of children is decreasing every year.
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Old 06-03-2014, 12:19 AM
 
Location: Taipei
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How many American women are victims of domestic violence then? Find the data and compare it with data from Arabian countries.

How many American women are raped every day?

People are less educated in those countries (compared to Americans), so you should compare people with the same level of education too. e.g. American men with a college degree vs Arabians with a college degree.
Domestic violence and rapes happen in everywhere,but women can get a divorce or restraining orders outside the Arabian world,that's the difference.

And how does education have anything to deal with this?By your logic,it's fine for an uneducated man to hit his wife because he can be excused for not having enough education?
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Old 06-03-2014, 02:52 PM
 
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And how does education have anything to deal with this?By your logic,it's fine for an uneducated man to hit his wife because he can be excused for not having enough education?
No. But uneducated men are more likely to beat their wife. So if you want to study the impact of culture or social norms (except for education), it would be a good idea to compare people of similar education level.
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Old 06-03-2014, 05:25 PM
 
Location: USA
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Wow, Bettafish, you've made it clear you're expert on China and the US. Little did anyone know you've also taken on the Arab culture. Amazing. So how do Chinese women fare? Are they happy as clams with their lot in life? I'm sure you know all about it. I surely don't.
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