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Old 01-21-2016, 12:27 PM
 
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so when china was poor because of communism, you blame their culture and not the collectives the communists imposed?
Why do you think I used the word 'usually' using single quotes? I pre-answered your question
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Old 01-21-2016, 01:38 PM
 
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Why do you think I used the word 'usually' using single quotes? I pre-answered your question
and how do you explain the 2 Koreas? one is poor and the other is rich. different culture? isn't it clear that govt policy made the North poor?
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Old 01-21-2016, 02:04 PM
 
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and how do you explain the 2 Koreas? one is poor and the other is rich. different culture? isn't it clear that govt policy made the North poor?
Yes it's government policy, but I'm saying in most countries across the world, the government is a derivative of the country's overall culture. I mean, why the gulf of difference between Japan and the Philippines when both countries have a democratically elected government? That part is as much cultural as government policy is
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Old 01-21-2016, 03:21 PM
 
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so when china was poor because of communism, you blame their culture and not the collectives the communists imposed?
China achieved a lot of things in the "communist" era. It built enormous infrastructures (railways, roads, cities), factories, and military bases. China successfully developed nuclear bombs at that time too. It unified China and Chinese people.

"Communism" does not make people rich and is not really sustainable, so it was abandoned. But it had served to make China a relatively strong nation, compared to China before WWII.
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Old 01-21-2016, 03:23 PM
 
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and how do you explain the 2 Koreas? one is poor and the other is rich. different culture? isn't it clear that govt policy made the North poor?
North Korea is very poor economically, but it has an even bigger influence in the world than the Philippines. Everyone knows Kim Jong Un, but nobody knows your president.
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Old 01-21-2016, 04:40 PM
 
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Globalization is not the same as westernisation.

I would not label Singapore as a heavily westernised city. It is still very Asian in culture except for the fact that English is very widely spoken.

HK, is very globalized, and not very westernised which is similar to Singapore. Why I say globalization is not the same as westernisation? In HK, there are significant cultural influences from both western and eastern sources. There are the influences from Mainland China, Taiwan, Japan and Korea which are no less significant than the western influences. There are also some influences from SE Asia and S Asia. Significant non Chinese population in HK like Singapore as well. Well connected by air to many cities around the world. HK laws is almost identical to English laws.

The influence of China, Japan, Korea and to a lesser extent Taiwan and HK are strong in Eastern and Southeast Asia. Actually western influence in Asia is decling a bit nowadays.

Most globalized cities of Asia- HK and Singapore, attracting many foreigners from around the world to visit or move there.
I don't think Hong Kong is "globalised" - in fact, no Asian city is globalised. We simply (Asian continent) aren't attractive enough to offer foreigners a great place to stay long term. How many Brits or Europeans do you see relocating to Asia long term. Many are either short term workers in finance or IT industries or have local spouses (usually wives) who will probably live there for a few years and then move back to North America, Australia or Europe.


No Asian culture is a global world melting pot like New York or London - cities with almost every nationality on Earth, most are there for the long term and assimilated to some degree.


Even back in the colonial days, Hong Kong was a mere British outpost that had a majority of Chinese people as its population. The only real influence in Hong Kong was naturally British and even that is slight...apart from a few lingo words creeping into Cantonese like "check, store, taxi, bus" etc.


Hong Kong, like Singapore, is nothing more than a transit longue.
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Old 01-21-2016, 05:09 PM
 
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If they are at NYC or London, other US large cities and cities like Toronto, Vancouver, Sydney and Melborune long term and assimilated, they have US, British, Canadian and Australian citizenships. These countries allow dual or multiple citizenships while Hong Kong, Singapore and most Asian countries do not.

Hong Kong had more trade with the US than the UK in the 80s and 90s and still have more economic relations with the US and Japan than the UK nowadays. There were already many restaurants in HK of non-Chinese cuisines in the 1970s.

Language is a big barrier in HK, because unlike Singapore and the western cities mentioned, English is not the main conversation language in HK. Cantonese is difficult to learn.
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Old 01-22-2016, 09:45 AM
 
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North Korea is very poor economically, but it has an even bigger influence in the world than the Philippines. Everyone knows Kim Jong Un, but nobody knows your president.
as if that is a good compliment your reasoning is really out of this world. you are a bigot, aren't you?
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Old 02-04-2016, 02:35 PM
 
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modernize ≠ westernize

Just for the record.

Watch this and you'll understand, hopefully.
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Old 02-05-2016, 05:32 AM
 
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Japan and the rest of Asia really doesn't carry the same type of democracy in the West.
What kind of democracy is that?
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