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Old 06-13-2012, 04:37 AM
 
Location: Macao
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Vietnam, Mexico and arguably China too are considered as less developed countries.

South Korea, though a developed country, is not on the same level as Japan and the West.

Like the Western countries such as the US and UK, Japan is widely considered as a first-tier developed nation and thus is expected to welcome immigrants.
By why is it that 'first-tier developed nations' are expected to be immigrant-receiving?

Why not a 'Mexico'? They have the land, the space, and the need for innovation and everything else?

I'd think a 'Mexico' would get a lot more out of it, than a 'Japan'...so why not Mexico?
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Old 06-13-2012, 07:31 AM
 
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By why is it that 'first-tier developed nations' are expected to be immigrant-receiving?

Why not a 'Mexico'? They have the land, the space, and the need for innovation and everything else?

I'd think a 'Mexico' would get a lot more out of it, than a 'Japan'...so why not Mexico?
The crime rate in Japan is far lower than that of Mexico to the extent that one can expect his lost belonging to be back at that place untouched and also roam around the streets in the wee hours of the night without fear.

Not to mention too that there seems to be much better job prospects and greater affluence in Japan. Though living costs there are outrageously expensive, its quite commensurate with the quality of life. As a matter of fact, one of the reasons behind Japan's rapid ageing population is its excellent healthcare system.

So, although Mexico is far less densely populated and has potential for attractive migrants, its still more understandable for Japan to be the safer and more attractive choice and thus to be immigrant-receiving.
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Old 06-13-2012, 08:16 AM
 
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I would probably guess that the post-bubble Japanese (those who graduated university 1990 and onwards) would be more inclined to once they take the reins of power, but many of you who say "Why should Japan open up to immigrants like the West has?" have a good point as well...
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Old 06-13-2012, 08:21 AM
 
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The crime rate in Japan is far lower than that of Mexico to the extent that one can expect his lost belonging to be back at that place untouched and also roam around the streets in the wee hours of the night without fear.

Not to mention too that there seems to be much better job prospects and greater affluence in Japan. Though living costs there are outrageously expensive, its quite commensurate with the quality of life. As a matter of fact, one of the reasons behind Japan's rapid ageing population is its excellent healthcare system.

So, although Mexico is far less densely populated and has potential for attractive migrants, its still more understandable for Japan to be the safer and more attractive choice and thus to be immigrant-receiving.
But, what benefit would that be to Japan?

Why bring the world's poor and uneducated to work at McDonalds, when they already have Japanese people willing to work at McDonalds?

Why spend gazillions of dollars to teach people Japanese writing and reading and speaking, when their own citizens who already under-priveledged and looking for work, already know it?

Why overpopulate their country (that already has 128 million), and use up more of their resources, that are already being over-used?
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Old 06-13-2012, 09:26 AM
 
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But, what benefit would that be to Japan?

Why bring the world's poor and uneducated to work at McDonalds, when they already have Japanese people willing to work at McDonalds?

Why spend gazillions of dollars to teach people Japanese writing and reading and speaking, when their own citizens who already under-priveledged and looking for work, already know it?

Why overpopulate their country (that already has 128 million), and use up more of their resources, that are already being over-used?
Don't get me wrong. I personally think that Japan is doing a great job trying to preserve its tradition and culture by not accepting foreigners too loosely. Their national pride and spirit is truly admirable.

Anyhow, i should think that those who are able to move to Japan at least for the short term are either in the affluent or the middle class category since they know fully well how expensive Japan can be. Low-paid jobs such as those in fast food joints and Starbucks just don't cut it; at the very least, teaching English would help a foreign expat make ends meet.

Due to Japan's insular attitude towards globalisation, its work ethic is one that strongly favours Japanese employees and practices. One such instance is the loyal senior employees are retained and often promoted before their younger (albeit more agile and efficient) colleagues. That also resulted in more younger Japanese employees hopping between companies every two to three years.


But times have changed. This would mean being out of touch with the global economic trends and thus only greater economic stagnation or decline would follow in the decades to come.

If Japan, by all means, is bent on the path of "culture first, globalisation later", then so be it.
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Old 06-13-2012, 06:46 PM
 
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In the developed world, Japan must stick out as being the least diverse/most homogeneous country (with Scandinavia not too far behind).
South Korea is the least diverse developed nation on the planet. They are 99.5% korean and often call their nation the homegenous nation while japan is only 97.5% Japanese.

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I doubt it will ever become a 'melting' pot like the US or even France, of course, nor am I saying it should. But do you see other nations - say Americans, Koreans, Chinese, Indians - migrating to Japanese in significant numbers and perhaps even forming a permanent, minority American Japanese? Like white European or American Japanese people born in Japan who are raised Japanese, speak the language.etc in the same way there are Japanese Americans
I can see indians immigrating practically anywhere on the planet. I know many indians who have family in places from Sudan to Brazil to China ( hong kong area). So i think it is quite pausible that indians could move to japan espically since there is a large amount of engineer and high skill jobs along with the fact indians and japanese have been working together on many projects such as the Delhi Metro rail.

I really hope japan does something to increase its population or pretty soon it could become the first 3rd world country with a aging population.
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Old 06-13-2012, 06:57 PM
 
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Japan does not need more immigrants. The sky is not going to fall because Japan doesn't accept a lot of immigrants. Let's face reality here, for all those who think unlimited immigration is a good thing. Japan is a country that lacks natural resources, and there is a SERIOUS lack of space in Japan. Even more so now that a good chunk of northern Honshu is uninhabitable thanks to nuclear fallout. Japan does not need more people. If anything, it needs less, and the natural population decline is a very good thing for Japan. It will ensure that the Japanese people have higher incomes (basic supply and demand), and thus, a higher standard of living for the Japanese
Some population decline is good for japan but facing a 25-35% decline in 50 years is a serious problem! imagine how overworked the small minority of young people would have to pay in taxes for senior health care. This also causes the manfacutring output and economic output to go down as there are less able bodied people to take care of the country. If japan declined by 35% in 50 years it would be almost impossible to reverse unless the entire youth population produced 2 kids or more along with having a substantial amount of immigration.
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Old 06-13-2012, 09:53 PM
 
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By why is it that 'first-tier developed nations' are expected to be immigrant-receiving?
Developed countries are supposed to be populated by progressive people who are compassionate (accept lots of refugees), love diversity, and see any divide between people as being unacceptably racist.

That's the rules for developed western countries anyway.


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But, what benefit would that be to Japan?
More diversity, which is what we're all supposed to love nowadays.
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Old 06-14-2012, 11:21 AM
 
Location: American Expat
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By why is it that 'first-tier developed nations' are expected to be immigrant-receiving?

Why not a 'Mexico'? They have the land, the space, and the need for innovation and everything else?

I'd think a 'Mexico' would get a lot more out of it, than a 'Japan'...so why not Mexico?
Who wants to live in Mexico? 47,000 people have been killed in their drug war.. Let alone the fact that it is a developing country. Not even the poorest Mexicans want to live there. That's why they come here. Japan and Mexico aren't at the same level.
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Old 06-14-2012, 11:56 PM
 
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Japan is arguably ahead of the US in technology, so i'd say good for them.

Come to think of it, its pretty impressive how they manage to avoid jumping on the immigration bandwagon for that long.
Not too many people in the global research community would argue that Japan is ahead of the US in technology.

http://www.battelle.org/aboutus/rd/2011.pdf

Maybe you can give us some recent examples of Japanese technology that has changed the world. Real earth changing stuff like the Transistor, Integrated Circuit, or the Internet.
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