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Old 08-08-2012, 09:36 AM
 
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Most Vietnamese here in the States that I have met seem to have nooooo issues with Vietnam Vets.
HAHAHA...I should certainly hope not, most of the Vietnames families in the US fleed when Communist N. Vietnam took over, rather than face execution or imprisonment at the hands of the communists, as they were associated with the S. Vietnamese government, associated with working with the US, or members of S. Veitnamese society. Most of them literally owe their lives to US Military veterans and the contributions of the US Army. Many fought side by side with the US Army.

Regarding the OP's post - one must remember that Vietnam was in an almost constant state of warfare for 50 years before they stabilzed in the 1990s- Japan, French, US (with US allies - Australia being among them), Cambodia, China, and of course that is when they weren't in battle with themselves. US is just one of many enemies they've had in their turbulent history.
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Old 08-08-2012, 11:43 AM
 
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My comments aren't about a particular person or poster, or country but the big picture. I've asked lots of questions for readers to think about, however, my posts aren't for a particular poster or person.
Most vietnam veterans were NOT drafted............they had enlisted.
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Old 08-08-2012, 01:39 PM
 
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I was not drafted and had returned to Vietnam a few years ago with an organized tour for Vet's and I actually got to meet a few people that I may or may not have fired at as they may or may not have fired at me and all I can really remember was that a few of us were crying ( them and us ), when I came home I think it has helped a lot because I no longer wake up 3 feet above the bed, I had no feeling of hatred of animosity from anyone, I'm happy I went, it helped place a lot of things to rest and I feel like I got to say goodbye to a few friends.
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Old 08-09-2012, 01:27 AM
 
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I was not drafted and had returned to Vietnam a few years ago with an organized tour for Vet's and I actually got to meet a few people that I may or may not have fired at as they may or may not have fired at me and all I can really remember was that a few of us were crying ( them and us ), when I came home I think it has helped a lot because I no longer wake up 3 feet above the bed, I had no feeling of hatred of animosity from anyone, I'm happy I went, it helped place a lot of things to rest and I feel like I got to say goodbye to a few friends.

Glad that you had a good experience..............
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Old 12-15-2015, 08:31 PM
 
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HAHAHA...I should certainly hope not, most of the Vietnames families in the US fleed when Communist N. Vietnam took over, rather than face execution or imprisonment at the hands of the communists, as they were associated with the S. Vietnamese government, associated with working with the US, or members of S. Veitnamese society. Most of them literally owe their lives to US Military veterans and the contributions of the US Army. Many fought side by side with the US Army.

Regarding the OP's post - one must remember that Vietnam was in an almost constant state of warfare for 50 years before they stabilzed in the 1990s- Japan, French, US (with US allies - Australia being among them), Cambodia, China, and of course that is when they weren't in battle with themselves. US is just one of many enemies they've had in their turbulent history.
I'm a Vietnamese.
My mother's father was a mid-rank officer of the South during the war. My father's uncle was a high-rank special force soldier of the South. My uncle was an artillery soldier of the South. When the North took the country in 1975 they were scared a lots. But just about 4 to 8 weeks of concentration in some kind of classes (hoc tap cai tao) they were all set freed, healthy and unharmed. They told me that it were just some propaganda lectures and some public works(like rebuilding destroyed public infrastructure) and that's all.

Well I do dislike the corruption in the government in Viet Nam now. But overall, we support our government. I admit that we do not have perfect democracy, but our democracy is surely higher than a lots of countries (including some absolute monarchy countries, dictator-ruled-for-decades countries, and some utterly corrupted ones)

So to conclude, stop your lies ok, Dd714?
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Old 12-16-2015, 09:43 AM
 
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I'm a Vietnamese.
My mother's father was a mid-rank officer of the South during the war. My father's uncle was a high-rank special force soldier of the South. My uncle was an artillery soldier of the South. When the North took the country in 1975 they were scared a lots. But just about 4 to 8 weeks of concentration in some kind of classes (hoc tap cai tao) they were all set freed, healthy and unharmed. They told me that it were just some propaganda lectures and some public works(like rebuilding destroyed public infrastructure) and that's all.

Well I do dislike the corruption in the government in Viet Nam now. But overall, we support our government. I admit that we do not have perfect democracy, but our democracy is surely higher than a lots of countries (including some absolute monarchy countries, dictator-ruled-for-decades countries, and some utterly corrupted ones)

So to conclude, stop your lies ok, Dd714?
What lies? About what...I am confused here.
I wrote that thread over 3 years ago I guess, and have been in Vietnam since. I still stand by my thread but your uncles experience is of interest. There are some current topics in the "history" forum of this thread that might be of interest to you - including an account of someone's in-law (former ARVN as far as we can figure) that was in one of these "re-education camps" for two decades. He is a US citizen now. So we have two conflicting accounts here - Again, I stand by my thread and I tend to find the other account in the history forum as more authentic then yours.

I assume you are still posting from Vietnam? That may explain your response, you are compromised. We do have what appears to be government shills from, shall we say, countries where the citizens do not have the freedom to post freely on the internet, post here from time to time. I also find it of interest that this is your first posting in this forum.

To answer the original post question and based on a recent trip to Vietnam - Vietnamese love Americans now. Most Vietnamese were born after the war and have no recollection of the war. Tourism and business from America is flourishing, and they love American greenbacks. You can actually pay with US currency at least in tourist areas. Politically speaking, Vietnam is more or less an ally to the US in halting PRC expansion in the South China Sea.

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Old 12-16-2015, 03:36 PM
 
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I had a fiancé who was Vietnamese. She was born in Saigon but lived in America since she was in high school. Most of her family is living in the US and have been for a long time now. So since I was very involved with her family, I was exposed to a lot of how her parents think in regards to the war. They don't resent America as much as they resent North Vietnam. To most of them, American's fighting over there were on their side, the South Vietnamese side. Now if you ask the North Vietnamese they may have more resentment towards Americans who were over there.

She was around 1 years old during the fall of Saigon. Her father explained that when the North Vietnamese came in, they forced all South Vietnamese out of their homes and into the jungles to live, if they didn't kill them. Her father was lucky because he had an extensive degree in agricultural related work. They needed people with expertise like him to help rebuild the land after such things as agent orange was used. So even though they removed him from the home he lived with his family, they put him in a place far better then out to the jungles. When she was a teen, they escaped and came to the US. Since her father's brother was a high ranking official of the South Vietnamese military who worked closely with the American government during the conflict, it wasn't too hard for her father to get legal status in the US years later. However, at the time of the fall of Saigon, her father's brother was executed by the North Vietnamese.

So bottom line, most Vietnamese have resentment towards the North Vietnamese, not so much the American's who were over there fighting against the North Vietnamese.
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Old 12-16-2015, 05:55 PM
 
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What lies? About what...I am confused here.
I wrote that thread over 3 years ago I guess, and have been in Vietnam since. I still stand by my thread but your uncles experience is of interest. There are some current topics in the "history" forum of this thread that might be of interest to you - including an account of someone's in-law (former ARVN as far as we can figure) that was in one of these "re-education camps" for two decades. He is a US citizen now. So we have two conflicting accounts here - Again, I stand by my thread and I tend to find the other account in the history forum as more authentic then yours.

I assume you are still posting from Vietnam? That may explain your response, you are compromised. We do have what appears to be government shills from, shall we say, countries where the citizens do not have the freedom to post freely on the internet, post here from time to time. I also find it of interest that this is your first posting in this forum.

To answer the original post question and based on a recent trip to Vietnam - Vietnamese love Americans now. Most Vietnamese were born after the war and have no recollection of the war. Tourism and business from America is flourishing, and they love American greenbacks. You can actually pay with US currency at least in tourist areas. Politically speaking, Vietnam is more or less an ally to the US in halting PRC expansion in the South China Sea.
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I had a fiancé who was Vietnamese. She was born in Saigon but lived in America since she was in high school. Most of her family is living in the US and have been for a long time now. So since I was very involved with her family, I was exposed to a lot of how her parents think in regards to the war. They don't resent America as much as they resent North Vietnam. To most of them, American's fighting over there were on their side, the South Vietnamese side. Now if you ask the North Vietnamese they may have more resentment towards Americans who were over there.

She was around 1 years old during the fall of Saigon. Her father explained that when the North Vietnamese came in, they forced all South Vietnamese out of their homes and into the jungles to live, if they didn't kill them. Her father was lucky because he had an extensive degree in agricultural related work. They needed people with expertise like him to help rebuild the land after such things as agent orange was used. So even though they removed him from the home he lived with his family, they put him in a place far better then out to the jungles. When she was a teen, they escaped and came to the US. Since her father's brother was a high ranking official of the South Vietnamese military who worked closely with the American government during the conflict, it wasn't too hard for her father to get legal status in the US years later. However, at the time of the fall of Saigon, her father's brother was executed by the North Vietnamese.

So bottom line, most Vietnamese have resentment towards the North Vietnamese, not so much the American's who were over there fighting against the North Vietnamese.
Why do you assume that we do not have internet freedom? If only you can read Vietnamese, you can see countless pro and anti government posts on social media, not just on Facebook but also from Zing (a social media run by a Vietnamese company)

Actually my opinion toward the US is very high, perhaps due to my love for science and technology, which the US is currently leading the world now. But this and that are different, I can swear to Bhudha that I represent my own point of view only and what I say here all based on what I know or was told from my family. Maybe according to the importance an ARVN officer was that determined how he was treated after the war. But in my grandfather, great-uncle and uncles cases, it were just a few weeks. I know that some revenge cases may happen, but the chance I think is the same as My Lai massacre, right?
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Old 12-16-2015, 08:28 PM
 
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Why do you assume that we do not have internet freedom? If only you can read Vietnamese, you can see countless pro and anti government posts on social media, not just on Facebook but also from Zing (a social media run by a Vietnamese company)

Actually my opinion toward the US is very high, perhaps due to my love for science and technology, which the US is currently leading the world now. But this and that are different, I can swear to Bhudha that I represent my own point of view only and what I say here all based on what I know or was told from my family. Maybe according to the importance an ARVN officer was that determined how he was treated after the war. But in my grandfather, great-uncle and uncles cases, it were just a few weeks. I know that some revenge cases may happen, but the chance I think is the same as My Lai massacre, right?
"Internet censorship in Vietnam prevents access to websites critical of the Vietnamese government, expatriate political parties, and international human rights organizations, among others. Online police reportedly monitor Internet cafes and cyber dissidents have been imprisoned. Vietnam regulates its citizens' Internet access using both legal and technical means. The government's efforts to regulate, monitor, and provide oversight regarding Internet use has been referred to as a "Bamboo Firewall".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intern...hip_in_Vietnam

You are free to challenge the above from Wikipedia, I know how PRC internet censorship works, I don't know about Vietnam.

Hey so we have 3 different records of the experiences of South Vietnamese after the war. 2 differ from yours. That's OK I am receptive to hearing your viewpoints, in fact I invite you to the history forum where there is also an open topic about the Vietnam/American war. Indeed revenge cases may happen - I wasn't thinking about the My Lai massacre, which was indeed terrible, but about the Hue massacre in 1968 where 4,000 to 6,000 civilians were murdered by communists, including women and children buried alive, during the Tet occupation of Hue. I would be curious what the Socialist Republic of Vietnam tells it's people about that, or is that even discussed? There is also the fact - almost 1 million South Vietnamese chose to take to boats, including leaky bathtubs, risking death by drowning in the South China Sea, to escape the communist after the fall of Saigon. They must have been fearing something, don't you think?
But that is all a history debate, at least we can agree that Vietnam and US are now friends...still some political differences, but friends.
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Old 12-18-2015, 06:18 AM
 
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Yes for sure. In fact the Vietnamese think very highly of the US
Well, many of my relatives were also boat people (more than a dozen of my aunts and uncles I think) so I know about that pretty well though. Boat people were mostly belonged to the upper classes of the society, and what they afraid most was their money taken away from them---well due to a stupid idea of total equalization of the government at that time I admit. But I have never heard of anything about them being killed or life-threatened or tortured or prisoned. At least in my city. About the Hue case, it's not that high we are not mad to kill our own brothers, sisters in blood just because of differences in ideas. But even Diem killed more than that in his hunt for communists during a few years after he claimed power, so both sides actually did war crimes to each other. But i'm totally sure that the people support the North much more than the South, guerrilla warfare depend on people's support a lots.


but yeah, whatever, it's over. Let's talk about collaboration opportunities rather than keep blaming on each other, right
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