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Old 12-18-2015, 12:34 PM
 
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but yeah, whatever, it's over. Let's talk about collaboration opportunities rather than keep blaming on each other, right
It's all good now my friend. I can't wait to return to Vietnam, it's a beautiful country.
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Old 12-18-2015, 02:26 PM
 
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I was in Vietnam last February and did not detect any resentment towards us. What I saw was a country that appeared to be vibrant - especially Saigon - and determined to succeed.

What I did detect was a lot of concern about China and Chinese ambitions and I think that Vietnam sees the USA as a friend who can help keep China honest.
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Old 12-21-2015, 10:30 AM
 
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I was in Vietnam last February and did not detect any resentment towards us. What I saw was a country that appeared to be vibrant - especially Saigon - and determined to succeed.

What I did detect was a lot of concern about China and Chinese ambitions and I think that Vietnam sees the USA as a friend who can help keep China honest.
Interesting because I have a chick friend who's Vietnamese and just last night she was mentioning a concern that the Chinese are kidnapping Vietnamese who travel through China. From what she's saying, there's been Vietnamese kidnapped and having their organs harvested for transplants, primarily the kidneys. She calls it a kidney kidnap. Now I had to laugh when she was telling me this, but she's totally serious. We were on the topic cause she's thinking about going back to Vietnam to visit and is scared that she doesn't want to accidentally end up in China on a kidney kidnapping.
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Old 12-21-2015, 02:33 PM
 
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Yup. The enemy looming just over the horizon is China. This is a concern of not only Vietnam but many other countries in Southeast Asia. Vietnam threw off the yoke of Chinese domination generations ago, then the French and the Americans. Now the old traditional enemy is lurking at the gates.
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Old 12-22-2015, 07:41 AM
 
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I was in Vietnam last February and did not detect any resentment towards us. What I saw was a country that appeared to be vibrant - especially Saigon - and determined to succeed.
Ditto. My daughter traveled through Vietnam last year, backpacking. She said the Vietnamese view the war as a US government issue and not the American people. She was very welcomed even in the small towns.

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Old 12-22-2015, 08:17 AM
 
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Yup. The enemy looming just over the horizon is China. This is a concern of not only Vietnam but many other countries in Southeast Asia. Vietnam threw off the yoke of Chinese domination generations ago, then the French and the Americans. Now the old traditional enemy is lurking at the gates.
Even Ho Chi Minh after WW2 had this to say about the Chinese. The context was a cease fire with Colonial France or letting China in:
"The last time the Chinese came, they stayed a thousand years....I prefer to sniff French sh*t for five years than to eat Chinese sh*t for the rest of my life.”
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Old 12-22-2015, 12:42 PM
 
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Interesting because I have a chick friend who's Vietnamese and just last night she was mentioning a concern that the Chinese are kidnapping Vietnamese who travel through China. From what she's saying, there's been Vietnamese kidnapped and having their organs harvested for transplants, primarily the kidneys. She calls it a kidney kidnap. Now I had to laugh when she was telling me this, but she's totally serious. We were on the topic cause she's thinking about going back to Vietnam to visit and is scared that she doesn't want to accidentally end up in China on a kidney kidnapping.
Organ harvesting is somewhat an issue in China, but the biggest victims from what i have read are children and women, from China. It's not hard to get bits from an executed grown man, but it's much harder to obtain organs for children in need, so kids in poorer and rural areas are (somewhat) at risk. It's a bigger issue here than in the West but hardly pervasive, and im pretty sure any stories about Vietnamese being targeted are apocryphal scaremongering due to recent tentions over the SCS and mail order brides.

As far as the OP goes, as i may have said before, the Vietnamese are generally aware (as are the American public at this point) that the whole Vietnam war was a big send-up for the benefit of politicians and the military industrial complex, and that the Americans who died were generally just misled and misused young men whose only stake in the fight was staying alive. Hell, that was one of their major propoganda points during the Vietnam war and what they are taught now... factor into that, they were the victors, and the average Vietnamese person doesn't blame the individual soldier, or even American citizen for that matter.
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Old 12-22-2015, 01:04 PM
 
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Organ harvesting is somewhat an issue in China, but the biggest victims from what i have read are children and women, from China. It's not hard to get bits from an executed grown man, but it's much harder to obtain organs for children in need, so kids in poorer and rural areas are (somewhat) at risk. It's a bigger issue here than in the West but hardly pervasive, and im pretty sure any stories about Vietnamese being targeted are apocryphal scaremongering due to recent tentions over the SCS and mail order brides.

As far as the OP goes, as i may have said before, the Vietnamese are generally aware (as are the American public at this point) that the whole Vietnam war was a big send-up for the benefit of politicians and the military industrial complex, and that the Americans who died were generally just misled and misused young men whose only stake in the fight was staying alive. Hell, that was one of their major propoganda points during the Vietnam war and what they are taught now... factor into that, they were the victors, and the average Vietnamese person doesn't blame the individual soldier, or even American citizen for that matter.
Yeah I read that on line after the Vietnamese chick told me about it first. Basically what you're saying in the paragraph above is what I read yesterday on the internet.
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Old 12-25-2015, 05:35 PM
 
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The Vietnamese love Americans.
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Old 12-25-2015, 08:00 PM
 
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I had a coworker that was from Vietnam. He was always talking about how he loved America but hated the French. lol!
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