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Old 03-07-2013, 01:37 AM
 
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During my stay in Israel I have heard that they are fluent in two or three languages, which English is always on top ..if l'm not wrong ..they can understand even the Aramaic
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Old 03-07-2013, 08:33 AM
 
Location: Eretz Yisrael
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During my stay in Israel I have heard that they are fluent in two or three languages, which English is always on top ..if l'm not wrong ..they can understand even the Aramaic
Hebrew is the top language and English is the secondary language. Arabic and not Aramaic may be spoken by some Sephardi and Mizrahi Jews, Spanish may be spoken by a limited few Ladino and Sephardi Jews, Russian may be spoken by Ashkenazis and Yiddish is spoken primarily by the Ultra Orthodox Jews . But all in all it is incorrect to speculate that "they" all are fluent in multiple languages. Some have problems speaking English even thou it was taught nearly every year while in school.

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Aramaic is as dead as Gaelic. It is not taught in the same manner as Latin is, nor does it have a similar use to Latin.
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Old 03-07-2013, 09:21 AM
 
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The official language of Israel is Hebrew and Arabic. Most first generation immigrants speak English or the language of which they immigrated from, but learns Hebrew too.
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Old 03-07-2013, 09:22 AM
 
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Aramaic is as dead as Gaelic. It is not taught in the same manner as Latin is, nor does it have a similar use to Latin.
Aramaic is not a dead language. It is spoken by Assyrians today with 500,000 speakers worldwide.
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Old 03-07-2013, 10:31 AM
 
Location: Eretz Yisrael
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Aramaic is not a dead language. It is spoken by Assyrians today with 500,000 speakers worldwide.
And how many Assyrians live in Israel? None. Hence the topic of this thread. Jews and Arabs in general do not learn to speak/read Aramaic. Thus for them its a dead language for most of the population. Do assyrians speak all dialect of it? No. Its only uses amongst their group as is Gaelic used in Ireland or Scotland amongst their groups. Thus neather of these languages are commonly used. In one or two more generations Yiddish will be dead as basically its used by Ultra Orthodox Jews, but there is still a generation who is not UO who still speak it as a common language.
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Old 03-07-2013, 04:50 PM
 
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And how many Assyrians live in Israel? None. Hence the topic of this thread. Jews and Arabs in general do not learn to speak/read Aramaic. Thus for them its a dead language for most of the population. Do assyrians speak all dialect of it? No. Its only uses amongst their group as is Gaelic used in Ireland or Scotland amongst their groups. Thus neather of these languages are commonly used. In one or two more generations Yiddish will be dead as basically its used by Ultra Orthodox Jews, but there is still a generation who is not UO who still speak it as a common language.
Orthodox Jews can read Aramaic in religious texts but they can't speak or write it.
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Old 03-08-2013, 04:03 AM
 
Location: Eretz Yisrael
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Orthodox Jews can read Aramaic in religious texts but they can't speak or write it.
Very few and those follow the Mizrahi lineage. FWIW using Orthodox in this context is too generalized. In the US and Israel it depended in which community you were brought up in if you got anything more than Hebrew and English. In my community in the US where English is primary, Hebrew was started at a young age so we would actually understand the Hebrew text we were reading. I learned Yiddish and Arabic from the community I lived in (post Shoah Europeans and displaced Syrians).

FWIW there is a community in Israel where Yiddish is the primary language and Hebrew is the secondary language.
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Old 03-10-2013, 01:23 AM
 
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Very few and those follow the Mizrahi lineage. FWIW using Orthodox in this context is too generalized. In the US and Israel it depended in which community you were brought up in if you got anything more than Hebrew and English. In my community in the US where English is primary, Hebrew was started at a young age so we would actually understand the Hebrew text we were reading. I learned Yiddish and Arabic from the community I lived in (post Shoah Europeans and displaced Syrians).

FWIW there is a community in Israel where Yiddish is the primary language and Hebrew is the secondary language.
In the Hassidic community in Israel, Yiddish is the native language as they believe that Hebrew is too holy to be used for daily purposes. They only speak Hebrew outside the religious usage when they are dealing with an Israeli who doesn't speak Yiddish. But I am sure in this same Ultra-Orthodox community they can read Aramaic when dealing with religious texts where it appears (for example Rashi commentary of the 5 books of Moshes).

What is FWIW?
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Old 03-10-2013, 03:50 AM
 
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^^ FWIW = "for what it's worth"
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Old 03-16-2013, 09:39 PM
 
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But I am sure in this same Ultra-Orthodox community they can read Aramaic when dealing with religious texts where it appears (for example Rashi commentary of the 5 books of Moshes).
You're confusing Aramaic vocabulary with Aramaic writing. Rashi is written in Hebrew. His handwriting style of writing has to be learned in order to read it. In older texts there are words that have their root in Aramaic and currently not in use outside of texts, but they are written in hebrew. Numerous Aramaic words are written phonetically in hebrew, so sometimes you have to think about the word, sound it out and try to understand it in its context. Its not like Yiddish where German, Polish, Russian and few other languages took words and wrote them out using hebrew letters. Yiddish is is phonetic and thus WYSIWYG. Reading Yiddish means nothing to most Jews outside of the UO circles or Shoah survivors (and maybe their children).
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