U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > World Forums > Asia
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Reply Start New Thread
 
Old 03-30-2014, 05:58 PM
 
1,099 posts, read 1,673,392 times
Reputation: 971

Advertisements

Quote:
Originally Posted by The Postman View Post
The Phils are economically on a similar footing to Vietnam, yet Vietnam doesn't look as slummy as this.
If you visit both Manila and Saigon, it is evident that Manila has the higher Gini coefficient (higher income inequality), so the glitzy areas in Manila are close to those of developed countries while the slum areas are among the worst in the world. Saigon do not have slum areas that are that bad, but it also does not have as many skyscrapers or ostentatious displays of wealth.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 03-30-2014, 06:07 PM
 
Location: Melbourne, Australia
9,781 posts, read 16,276,714 times
Reputation: 2833
Quote:
Originally Posted by GoldenTiger View Post
If you visit both Manila and Saigon, it is evident that Manila has the higher Gini coefficient (higher income inequality), so the glitzy areas in Manila are close to those of developed countries while the slum areas are among the worst in the world. Saigon do not have slum areas that are that bad, but it also does not have as many skyscrapers or ostentatious displays of wealth.
That's true, although Vietnam is starting to develop quite a bit. It seems they're focusing more on Hanoi now as the 'showpiece city', with way more highrises planned for Hanoi vs Saigon.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 03-30-2014, 06:39 PM
 
1,099 posts, read 1,673,392 times
Reputation: 971
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Postman View Post
You obviously don't 'get' Singapore...you can stay at hostels for $15 a night in Little India. 'Have to eat' at hawker stalls? You act as if that's a bad thing. People COME to Singapore for it's hawker stalls, which have some of the best food you can find. If food is great it doesn't matter if you pay $2 for it at a hawker stall and sit on plastic chairs or eat at a ritzy restaurant and pay $100 a head.

The fact is those cheap destinations are also tougher in terms of pretty much every other factor, from language, transport.etc. I mean it's still not HARD, but for a beginner traveller it's not like Singapore or Europe.
I guess you don't "get" where some of the beginner travelers come from... Singapore is fine as a beginner travel destination for people from Australia, New Zealand and SE Asia, but for people from North America, it is hardly one that should be recommended as the first Asian destination. If one is from California, why spend about $1100 for the cheapest airfare to Singapore, when one can fly to parts of East Asia for $600? And what is there for people from California to see in Singapore? Skyscrapers? Zoo? Universal Studios? Why pay $500 more in airfare and live in a hostel?

I am not saying that hawker stalls are such a bad thing, but staying at a hostel in Little India is! All I'm saying is that I would just like to stay in at least a 3-star hotel, but that is so expensive in Singapore that for that the hotel price difference alone, I can easily take taxis and hire a personal tour guide in other Asian destinations that the language or transport price difference no longer matters!
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 03-30-2014, 06:46 PM
 
Location: singapore
1,533 posts, read 1,275,305 times
Reputation: 426
singapore is expensive.. Period.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 03-30-2014, 07:00 PM
 
Location: Melbourne, Australia
9,781 posts, read 16,276,714 times
Reputation: 2833
Quote:
Originally Posted by GoldenTiger View Post
I guess you don't "get" where some of the beginner travelers come from... Singapore is fine as a beginner travel destination for people from Australia, New Zealand and SE Asia, but for people from North America, it is hardly one that should be recommended as the first Asian destination. If one is from California, why spend about $1100 for the cheapest airfare to Singapore, when one can fly to parts of East Asia for $600? And what is there for people from California to see in Singapore? Skyscrapers? Zoo? Universal Studios? Why pay $500 more in airfare and live in a hostel?

I am not saying that hawker stalls are such a bad thing, but staying at a hostel in Little India is! All I'm saying is that I would just like to stay in at least a 3-star hotel, but that is so expensive in Singapore that for that the hotel price difference alone, I can easily take taxis and hire a personal tour guide in other Asian destinations that the language or transport price difference no longer matters!
Well tons of Aussies have been to Singapore, partly because it's such a hub and for a long time was the stopover on the 'Kangaroo route' to London. I think Singapore is an excellent hub to explore SEA because of all the flights that go from there, plus it's a great introduction to Asia because of the mix of cultures, the modernity, convenience.etc. Japan or HK just offer different experiences.

Hostels in S'pore are often quite good. Well there are pluses to Singapore...air-conditioned malls, English, no one hawking/hassling you...I'd say for a first time visitor to Asia it's good for about 5 days, not a holiday destination in itself but part of an itinerary.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 03-30-2014, 07:41 PM
 
27 posts, read 36,601 times
Reputation: 20
Quote:
Originally Posted by TravelingAndSettling View Post
Brings back wonderful memories....
so from your experience you don't have any problems from prostitutes in Thailand?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 04-01-2014, 03:47 AM
 
6 posts, read 9,879 times
Reputation: 11
According to the Freedom in the World report by Freedom House, Singapore scored 4 in Political rights and Civil Liberties, which are low for developed countries. Compared Singapore with other Asian countries in the report, a lot of differences.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 07-16-2014, 02:50 PM
 
3,340 posts, read 2,086,220 times
Reputation: 2367
a first time tourist from the Philippines will, most of the times, visit HK first due to proximity and cost.

its faster to go to HK than driving from Makati to Quezon City during rust hour in Metro Manila
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 07-17-2014, 12:09 AM
 
Location: Taipei
6,781 posts, read 5,137,786 times
Reputation: 4574
Japan is "Asia for Beginners".It's not really about how easy it is for foreigners to get around and infrastructure and stuff,but because it's the coolest place to visit in Asia.So if you wanna pay a visit to Asia,Japan is the best choice because you'd never know when the next opportunity is gonna be.

Singapore is pretty boring,and I wasn't impressed with HK either lol.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 07-17-2014, 01:47 AM
 
Location: Macao
15,951 posts, read 36,218,676 times
Reputation: 9493
Quote:
Originally Posted by Greysholic View Post
Japan is "Asia for Beginners".It's not really about how easy it is for foreigners to get around and infrastructure and stuff,but because it's the coolest place to visit in Asia.So if you wanna pay a visit to Asia,Japan is the best choice because you'd never know when the next opportunity is gonna be.

Singapore is pretty boring,and I wasn't impressed with HK either lol.
In Japan, you really need to know some Japanese, and be able to communicate in broken English or phrase books, if you don't know Japanese.

For beginners, you need it to be #1 ENGLISH-Friendly. There are so few train/bus maps in English in Japan...or even ATMs that take international credit cards or bank cards.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:

Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > World Forums > Asia
Follow City-Data.com founder on our Forum or

All times are GMT -6.

2005-2019, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35 - Top