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Old 05-17-2013, 07:13 AM
 
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I personally feel no affinity towards Pakistanis or Bangladeshis(not downing them, I just don't see them as kinsmen of any sort). In the end, partition was a good thing; otherwise 1/3 of India's population would be Muslims, and you'd have all the problems that go along with having a substantial Muslim minority.
It just seems when Muslims reach a certain percentage of a country's population you get separatist agitation e.g. Thailand, Philippines (and what happened to Lebanon).

 
Old 05-17-2013, 08:18 AM
 
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It just seems when Muslims reach a certain percentage of a country's population you get separatist agitation e.g. Thailand, Philippines (and what happened to Lebanon).


Islam is incompatible with democracy. The philosophy goes against the ideals of Islam. Unless, a muslim is moderate in their views, they will never embrace Western values.
 
Old 05-17-2013, 08:22 AM
 
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It's nothing like Ireland and the UK. Ireland was conquered by the UK, Pakistan and Bangladesh were historic parts of India, or what was culturally the Indosphere.


Actually, Afghanistan, Pakistan and Bangladesh were Hindu majority areas under the rule one Kingdom during the reign of Ashoka. Islamic Horders started waging warfare/Jihad eventually conquering Persia, parts of Afghanistan, etc. For many centuries the Islamic hordes failed to make any inroads into South Asia. They were conquered back many time. Gradually, they conquered all of Afghanistan, Scindh (Pakistan) and other various parts including Bangladesh.
 
Old 05-17-2013, 08:47 AM
 
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Actually, Afghanistan, Pakistan and Bangladesh were Hindu majority areas under the rule one Kingdom during the reign of Ashoka. Islamic Horders started waging warfare/Jihad eventually conquering Persia, parts of Afghanistan, etc. For many centuries the Islamic hordes failed to make any inroads into South Asia. They were conquered back many time. Gradually, they conquered all of Afghanistan, Scindh (Pakistan) and other various parts including Bangladesh.
Didn't the Mughals and others dominate India for centuries? Their religion didn't really take root in much of the Ganges plain and south India though.
 
Old 05-17-2013, 05:33 PM
 
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^The Mughals were smart in that they didn't politicize religion, until a certain a-hole named Aurangzeb(who I've also dubbed "The Terrible") became emperor and started doing a plethora of crap to persecute people. The downfall of the Mughals and perhaps the "opening" of India to colonialism started in his reign.

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Old 05-18-2013, 01:08 AM
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It just seems when Muslims reach a certain percentage of a country's population you get separatist agitation e.g. Thailand, Philippines (and what happened to Lebanon).
Lebanon is predominantly Muslim though (60%) although it used to have a Christian majority.

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^The Mughals were smart in that they didn't politicize religion, until a certain a-hole named Aurangzeb(who I've also dubbed "The Terrible") became emperor and started doing a plethora of crap to persecute people. The downfall of the Mughals and perhaps the "opening" of India to colonialism started in his reign.
Ironically, the Mughal Empire reached its greatest expansion under his rule. However, if he were to be as moderate and open to a multireligious society like under his predecessors Akbar and Shah Jahan, the communal relationships between Hindus and Muslims especially would certainly be in a much better condition today. The mistrusts between both communities were greatly sown during Aurangzeb's rule, and while India traditionally loathes his deeds as evil, Pakistan hails him as a great emperor and hero of Islam. If it wasn't for him, perhaps the Partition would not have happened either.

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Old 05-18-2013, 11:13 AM
 
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Didn't the Mughals and others dominate India for centuries? Their religion didn't really take root in much of the Ganges plain and south India though.


No Mughals conquered certain areas of of South Asia but there were areas they never set foot in. What ppl fail to realize is that the Subcontinent was in continous warfare for 1000 yrs against jihadi muslims! The only reason Islam even took root in India in the first place was thru the use of Torture, slavery, special taxes on Kaffirs, etc. Even then, they were not able to completely change the make up of India. Also, Hindus at the time were very strict about Hindusim. The mere eating of beef or smearing of cow blood on a Hindu was enough to force them out of Hinduism. Untouchablity also made Islam more attractice for some of those affected by it.
 
Old 05-18-2013, 12:54 PM
 
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There is some commonalities between Pakistanis and North Indians in terms of food, clothes, language and so on. Cultural similarities. South Indians look and are completely different. I have friends with roots in Bangladesh and India, and the subtle differences (and the similarities) are always interesting to observe.

As for partition, it was necessary. Such a big population as the Muslims of the North and East of then British India merited a separate country. We have different histories. Our heroes are their villains and vice-versa. Aurangzeb was a saint who expanded Muslim rule to its apex. Extremists like Mistree who espouse hate against groups en masse wont admit to his historic genius or the beautification of India that occurred under our rule. I assume he went through high school in India - whilst I went through HS in the UK and thus got a balanced view of India's history.
 
Old 05-18-2013, 01:39 PM
 
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A few points to Mistree's RSS history class. At its apex under Aurangzeb, the Mughal Empire stretched well into Southern India as this map shows.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Mughal1700.png

Further, Pakistan has been called "a monument to Muslim rule of India" - meaning that had there been no Muslim rule for centuries over much of India, there wouldn't have been a huge Muslim community in the Northern part of the region (which later formed Pakistan). This is why folks like him hate Islam and Pakistan - cos it reminds them that for centuries they were slaves to the Muslims of the Subcontinent.
 
Old 05-18-2013, 10:06 PM
 
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Not necessarily slaves, oppressed and persecuted would be a more accurate term. There's a reason why Muslims don't generally get along with non-Muslims and hell even including among themselves and have a general inclination to oppress/control/persecute religious minorities in countries dominated by Islamic ideology, Islam still hasn't shaken off it's Medieval baggage to an extremely large degree.

And you can go on lambasting the merits of forming an explicitly Islamic state and glorifying a rampaging maniac(which eerily parallels neo-Nazis and Hitler), but the great irony is that Muslims enjoy more rights, freedom, prosperity, upward mobility, and security in India than Pakistan and for the most part heartily identify as being Indians.

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