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Old 04-25-2014, 10:54 PM
 
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Even in Mainland China, there are 2 types of Chinese. Some viewed China positively, some viewed China negatively. All those Mainland Chinese who moved to HK, Macau, Taiwan and overseas are like viewing others more positively than Mainland China, with plenty of Mainland Chinese who want to leave but cannot. HK people mostly viewed Mainland China negatively because most of them or their parents and grandparents left Mainland China as they did not like it. Most of them left after the communists win the civil war in 1949. Many "mainlanders" in Taiwan are also people who wanted to escape communist rule after 1949.
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Old 04-25-2014, 11:24 PM
 
Location: Melbourne, Australia
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Why exactly being more British is a good thing while being influenced by China is not? Plus, what do you mean influenced by China, as during HK's entire history, it was only 100 year it was not part of China, and all of a sudden, having anything to do with the mother country becomes a bad thing.

And exactly why should all Hong Kongers need to speak English? English is a foreign language after all. I think it is pathetic for any Asian country to adopt English as a native language, as if they are so proud of being a British/American colony.

HKers should learn to speak fluent Mandarin if anything.
God forbid. Mandarin is as foreign as English is in a way, it was never the ancestral tongue of the Yue or the Min peoples, just because they're part of this monolithic entity called China doesn't mean it's another form of cultural imperialism, which happened in Singapore when Lee Kwan Yew encouraged Mandarin instead of the 'dialects', which are full languages, it's only the PRC and PAP who downgrade them by talking of them as 'dialects.'
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Old 04-26-2014, 01:45 PM
 
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God forbid. Mandarin is as foreign as English is in a way, it was never the ancestral tongue of the Yue or the Min peoples, just because they're part of this monolithic entity called China doesn't mean it's another form of cultural imperialism, which happened in Singapore when Lee Kwan Yew encouraged Mandarin instead of the 'dialects', which are full languages, it's only the PRC and PAP who downgrade them by talking of them as 'dialects.'
However, only Mandarin is a fully functional language. Even Cantonese does not have any standardized written form, not to mention Hokkien.

So if one wants to read Chinese literature, he has to master Mandarin vocabulary and grammar, if not pronunciation. All the famous classic novels written in Ming and Qing dynasties are in Mandarin too.
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Old 04-28-2014, 04:34 AM
 
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However, only Mandarin is a fully functional language. Even Cantonese does not have any standardized written form, not to mention Hokkien.

So if one wants to read Chinese literature, he has to master Mandarin vocabulary and grammar, if not pronunciation. All the famous classic novels written in Ming and Qing dynasties are in Mandarin too.
The written language is separate from the spoken language of Mandarin, though, isn't it?
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Old 04-28-2014, 07:34 AM
 
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The written language is separate from the spoken language of Mandarin, though, isn't it?
no, it is not. Mandarin has a complete written form.
None of China's regional direct has a complete written form, including the most famous Cantonese.
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Old 04-28-2014, 07:36 AM
 
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Even in Mainland China, there are 2 types of Chinese. Some viewed China positively, some viewed China negatively. All those Mainland Chinese who moved to HK, Macau, Taiwan and overseas are like viewing others more positively than Mainland China, with plenty of Mainland Chinese who want to leave but cannot. HK people mostly viewed Mainland China negatively because most of them or their parents and grandparents left Mainland China as they did not like it. Most of them left after the communists win the civil war in 1949. Many "mainlanders" in Taiwan are also people who wanted to escape communist rule after 1949.
if most HK and Taiwan don't like China, fine -that's their right. Stop doing business with China and see how far they can go economically.
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Old 04-28-2014, 07:53 AM
 
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Your statement is funny. Manderin is the official language of China. HK belongs to China, so Manderin is the official language of HK. Manderin sounds as foreign to Shanghainese as to HK. But still in Shanghai, Manderin is the official language. Why the difference for HK?

In your way of thinking, why the indigous indians should speak English in America? their original language is definitely not English.

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God forbid. Mandarin is as foreign as English is in a way, it was never the ancestral tongue of the Yue or the Min peoples, just because they're part of this monolithic entity called China doesn't mean it's another form of cultural imperialism, which happened in Singapore when Lee Kwan Yew encouraged Mandarin instead of the 'dialects', which are full languages, it's only the PRC and PAP who downgrade them by talking of them as 'dialects.'
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Old 04-28-2014, 08:00 AM
 
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Your statement is funny. Manderin is the official language of China. HK belongs to China, so Manderin is the official language of HK. Manderin sounds as foreign to Shanghainese as to HK. But still in Shanghai, Manderin is the official language. Why the difference for HK?

In your way of thinking, why the indigous indians should speak English in America? their original language is definitely not English.
not to mention English is not the "ancestral language" for all the Italians, Greeks, Germans, Russians, anc Dutch in America.

If you are in a country, you adopt this country's official language as your first language. Simple as that.

The influence of Cantonese is weakening every day overseas. In the US and Canada, Mandarin speakers are quicking replacing Cantonese speakers. 50 years ago, most westerners thought Cantonese is "Chinese". Now they realise it is just one of those Chinese dialects.
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Old 04-28-2014, 08:02 AM
 
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no, it is not. Mandarin has a complete written form.
None of China's regional direct has a complete written form, including the most famous Cantonese.
Oh I thought that each character had a meaning that corresponded to a word with that meaning in the respective language it was used for, whether Mandarin, Cantonese, Hokkien, Japanese, Vietnamese.etc.
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Old 04-28-2014, 08:05 AM
 
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Your statement is funny. Manderin is the official language of China. HK belongs to China, so Manderin is the official language of HK. Manderin sounds as foreign to Shanghainese as to HK. But still in Shanghai, Manderin is the official language. Why the difference for HK?

In your way of thinking, why the indigous indians should speak English in America? their original language is definitely not English.
I just take issue to them calling it a 'mother' tongue, and downgrading the other Chinese languages to 'dialects' as both the PRC and Singaporean government did. It sort of tries to invalidate Minnan, a language with a rich history, which preserves many archaic Middle Chinese features as well as some features of the Austroasiatic and Austronesian native peoples who lived in the region, including Baiyue, before the mass migration of Han Chinese south.
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