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Old 04-28-2014, 09:35 AM
 
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That many?

Well yeah, Guangdong was never an educational centre, it was more where commerce developed. Many of those who emigrated overseas, if not poor labourers, were of the merchant class.
The Yangtze river delta area is much biggger, more populous and richer than the Pearl River delta area.

Historically, Guangdong was nothing but a backwater southern region of China, while the Wu region has produced tons of famous people and culture offerings with famous historical cities such as Nanjing, Suzhou, Hangzhou etc. You can't even start to compare the importance of these two.

yea, education as well. Yangtze River delta has quite a few leading institutions while Guangdong has none (or 1 at best). I wonder how a region can be a real leader without superior education.
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Old 04-28-2014, 09:39 AM
 
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The Yangtze river delta area is much biggger, more populous and richer than the Pearl River delta area.

Historically, Guangdong was nothing but a backwater southern region of China, while the Wu region has produced tons of famous people and culture offerings with famous historical cities such as Nanjing, Suzhou, Hangzhou etc. You can't even start to compare the importance of these two.

yea, education as well. Yangtze River delta has quite a few leading institutions while Guangdong has none (or 1 at best). I wonder how a region can be a real leader without superior education.
The PRD and Guangdong largely benefited from Hong Kong, which far exceeded any city in China until the rise of Shanghai. British colonialism actually was a boon for Hong Kong from that point of view.
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Old 04-28-2014, 09:40 AM
 
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That is right. HK was ceded by the empirer of Qing because it was just a far island in the middle of nowhere. Canton was famous for being the recipient of prisoners from other parts of china.

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The Yangtze river delta area is much biggger, more populous and richer than the Pearl River delta area.

Historically, Guangdong was nothing but a backwater southern region of China, while the Wu region has produced tons of famous people and culture offerings with famous historical cities such as Nanjing, Suzhou, Hangzhou etc. You can't even start to compare the importance of these two.

yea, education as well. Yangtze River delta has quite a few leading institutions while Guangdong has none (or 1 at best). I wonder how a region can be a real leader without superior education.
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Old 04-28-2014, 09:45 AM
 
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The rise of Canton economically was not due to HK. but rather the favorable policy granted to Shenzhen. Due to Canton's weak influence over the rest of China, most economic policy experiments were done in Canton. That's why you see the rapid growth of Shenzhen, Dongguan, etc.

Now, the economic reforms are implemented all over China. Canton lost this advantage. The Yangzi River delta has already bypassed canton. Shanghai, Jiangsu, and Zhejiang are all richer than Guangdong now, in terms of GDP per capita.


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The PRD and Guangdong largely benefited from Hong Kong, which far exceeded any city in China until the rise of Shanghai. British colonialism actually was a boon for Hong Kong from that point of view.
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Old 04-28-2014, 09:49 AM
 
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The PRD and Guangdong largely benefited from Hong Kong, which far exceeded any city in China until the rise of Shanghai. British colonialism actually was a boon for Hong Kong from that point of view.
The rise of Shanghai is not accurate. Shanghai had been a prominent city since the 19th century, and before that, it was Suzhou, only an hour away from Shanghai, which has been one of the largest cities in the world for centuries.

HK on the other hand, had been nothing but a fishing village Shanghai and Suzhou wouldn't even look at. If anything HK rose from nothing to an important global city.

Unlike the US, China has a history that is much much longer 300 years.
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Old 04-28-2014, 09:51 AM
 
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The rise of Shanghai is not accurate. Shanghai had been a prominent city since the 19th century, and before that, it was Suzhou, only an hour away from Shanghai, which has been one of the largest cities in the world for centuries.

HK on the other hand, had been nothing but a fishing village Shanghai and Suzhou wouldn't even look at. If anything HK rose from nothing to an important global city.

Unlike the US, China has a history that is much much longer 300 years.
Okay renaissance then, Shanghai was the 'Pearl of the Orient' and biggest port city prior to the Japanese invasion/Civil War, but declined under Communism.

I'm aware HK largely grew after the British came...
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Old 04-28-2014, 09:53 AM
 
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The rise of Canton economically was not due to HK. but rather the favorable policy granted to Shenzhen. Due to Canton's weak influence over the rest of China, most economic policy experiments were done in Canton. That's why you see the rapid growth of Shenzhen, Dongguan, etc.

Now, the economic reforms are implemented all over China. Canton lost this advantage. The Yangzi River delta has already bypassed canton. Shanghai, Jiangsu, and Zhejiang are all richer than Guangdong now, in terms of GDP per capita.
Well yes, old Canton was quite a major trading centre. Still, the PRD is very important to China, and Guangdong is one of the richest provinces by GDP.
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Old 04-28-2014, 09:56 AM
 
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The rise of Canton economically was not due to HK. but rather the favorable policy granted to Shenzhen. Due to Canton's weak influence over the rest of China, most economic policy experiments were done in Canton. That's why you see the rapid growth of Shenzhen, Dongguan, etc.

Now, the economic reforms are implemented all over China. Canton lost this advantage. The Yangzi River delta has already bypassed canton. Shanghai, Jiangsu, and Zhejiang are all richer than Guangdong now, in terms of GDP per capita.
This map shows how much larger and richer YRD is. It has a lot more big cities, and shows higher GDP per capita overall. The wealth of YRD spills over a much larger area that is probably three times the size PRD does. PRD is surrounded by cities which are even poorer than China's average. (numbers are for GDP per capita RMB)
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Old 04-28-2014, 09:59 AM
 
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Guangdong is the largest province in terms of population and total GDP.
However, its importance to the rest of China should not be exagarated. Due to language barriers, and its distance from the mainland, Guangdong does not have much influence over the rest of China.



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Well yes, old Canton was quite a major trading centre. Still, the PRD is very important to China, and Guangdong is one of the richest provinces by GDP.
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Old 04-28-2014, 10:01 AM
 
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There are 3 most developed areas in Mainland china, Yangzi river Delter, Pearl river delter, and Beijing/tianjin area.
Yangzi is much bigger and richer than the other two
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