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Old 02-14-2013, 11:38 PM
 
Location: The western periphery of Terra Australis
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Certainly, but if you are inferring that the Warring States Era I would not go along with that idea. It is generally considered that that period took place within China proper. The conquest of Inner Mongolia however can certainly be debated as a foreign war. There is also a very well done film about Inner Mongolia's rebellion against China and the Japanese in the first half of the 20th century. According to many Chinese it is a fairly accurate film called "Ga Da Meilin"
I'm sorry but that doesn't seem to make sense to me...
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Old 02-14-2013, 11:56 PM
 
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I'm sorry but that doesn't seem to make sense to me...
Oh sorry. I meant if you were inferring that the Warring States period was connected to foreign incursions by China then I don't agree.
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Old 02-15-2013, 12:00 AM
 
Location: The western periphery of Terra Australis
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Oh sorry. I meant if you were inferring that the Warring States period was connected to foreign incursions by China then I don't agree.
No, I was just referring to the idea that China has had one ruler for 5,000 years, which is not true since for large periods it was fragmented itself. China is more like Western Europe in one respect than one nation. A civilisation.
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Old 02-15-2013, 12:04 AM
 
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You would think since he needs to use a proxy to get to this site (as verified by many posters unless this has changed) that shows his government controls everything their citizens are exposed to.
For your interest:
(1) I live in Boston, MA.
(2) I worked in China, Europe and the US. I have lived in 4 states of America.
(3) I speak three languages.
(4) I have two graduate degrees from US universities.

A problem of some Americans is that they are too arrogant to listen to different opinions.
It is never possible to tell them any truth they do not want to know.

Some brainwashed Americans (aka rednecks) can never think critically either.
No surprise though. Their public high school education is the WORST in the developed world, and it is the only developed country which turns universities a money machine. So pathetic.

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Old 02-15-2013, 12:17 AM
 
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Just listen to American politicians' speech. No matter it is from Mitt Romney or Barack Obama or others, it is always full of BS and lies.
Right, China is no better but at least the politicians don't make so many speeches.

Those things really have lowered American people's IQ.
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Old 02-15-2013, 12:43 AM
 
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No, I was just referring to the idea that China has had one ruler for 5,000 years, which is not true since for large periods it was fragmented itself. China is more like Western Europe in one respect than one nation. A civilisation.
I see. What I meant but should have made clearer is that while someone eluded to a democratic state China did not have a system that would have allowed that until 1910. Until the fall of the Qing the Chinese states, kingdoms etc. were monarchies.
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Old 02-15-2013, 06:52 PM
 
Location: Columbus, Ohio
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For your interest:
(1) I live in Boston, MA.
(2) I worked in China, Europe and the US. I have lived in 4 states of America.
(3) I speak three languages.
(4) I have two graduate degrees from US universities.

A problem of some Americans is that they are too arrogant to listen to different opinions.
It is never possible to tell them any truth they do not want to know.

Some brainwashed Americans (aka rednecks) can never think critically either.
No surprise though. Their public high school education is the WORST in the developed world, and it is the only developed country which turns universities a money machine. So pathetic.

Again your speaking from what your government wants you to believe. That is ok.

I do agree with you, the public school system is lacking, however there are many top notch universities. That is why so many people from around the world flock to them.

You should not generalize redneck as a brainwashed American. It is actually offensive slang to some folks. I am glad you get so defensive over your country, everyone who cares about their country should. However, it does not change how it is ran.
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Old 02-15-2013, 09:23 PM
 
Location: In the heights
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For your interest:
(1) I live in Boston, MA.
(2) I worked in China, Europe and the US. I have lived in 4 states of America.
(3) I speak three languages.
(4) I have two graduate degrees from US universities.

A problem of some Americans is that they are too arrogant to listen to different opinions.
It is never possible to tell them any truth they do not want to know.

Some brainwashed Americans (aka rednecks) can never think critically either.
No surprise though. Their public high school education is the WORST in the developed world, and it is the only developed country which turns universities a money machine. So pathetic.
The US's public education system has serious flaws, but it's over a huge spectrum with many regional differences. Certainly the best school districts within the US do very well but that's distributed a very large country with significant inequities and large issues with newly arrived immigrants who aren't less intelligent but must still spend a good bit of time learning the fundamentals on which English-language educations rests as well as overcoming economic difficulties given the number of people who are economic migrants before it's expected they shore up the standardized test stats.

There are a good deal of Americans who are skeptical of American political actions both domestic and abroad as has been evident in numerous protests or sea changes in the political landscape. There are a good deal of people within the US who are very vocally against an American-centric viewpoint and have a particular distaste for American exceptionalism and they are very much allowed to be public and vocal about that.

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Just listen to American politicians' speech. No matter it is from Mitt Romney or Barack Obama or others, it is always full of BS and lies.
Right, China is no better but at least the politicians don't make so many speeches.

Those things really have lowered American people's IQ.
The question is the degree of how disingenuous those speeches actually and the ability to voice criticisms outside of those speeches which become part of the national dialogue and can lead to regional if not national changes and reforms. The kind of withering criticism that US politician can be subjected to and how quickly some must adapt their positions (flip-flopping in a less polite term) is part of what makes the US system different from China's. What happens when a major media source or ideologue runs a report contrary to the party line in China as opposed to the US? And it's not as if Chinese people are always unaware of the kind of doublespeak or misrepresentations presented in state-sanctioned media--there's almost always a dose of healthy criticism but it seldom makes it on to the national scene.
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Old 02-15-2013, 11:24 PM
 
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^^ In China everyone knows the government lies. Gossiping about political rumors is a part of Chinese people's life.
Chinese people are VERY interested in politics in general. Much more than Americans do.
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Old 02-16-2013, 08:54 AM
 
Location: In the heights
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^^ In China everyone knows the government lies. Gossiping about political rumors is a part of Chinese people's life.
Chinese people are VERY interested in politics in general. Much more than Americans do.
In that respect, most people in the US figure politicians are crooked though and they actually have the means in place to effect change or at least the individual takedowns of politicians. I'd also argue that the ratings for various news shows and the great diversity of views in there seems to point towards Americans being a lot more interested than you believe though this changes from region to region.
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