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Old 04-29-2014, 08:17 AM
 
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many illegally on a boat.
Fujian is notorious for illegal immigration.
I'm talking more in the past, I don't know about now, but the vast majority of Chinese who come here are legal, skilled and educated. We associate illegal immigrants more with countries from the Middle East.

 
Old 04-29-2014, 08:40 AM
 
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I'm talking more in the past, I don't know about now, but the vast majority of Chinese who come here are legal, skilled and educated. We associate illegal immigrants more with countries from the Middle East.
now is similar. Certain regions of Fujian (near Fuzhou) still keeps exporting thousands of illegal immigrants every year.

This province simply produces a disproportionally high number of illegal immigrants to north America and Europe, considering its own population is not high. The nearby Jiangsu and Zhejiang hardly so.
 
Old 04-29-2014, 09:09 PM
 
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now is similar. Certain regions of Fujian (near Fuzhou) still keeps exporting thousands of illegal immigrants every year.

This province simply produces a disproportionally high number of illegal immigrants to north America and Europe, considering its own population is not high. The nearby Jiangsu and Zhejiang hardly so.
Weird, why Fujian? Maybe it's the familial connections? It didn't seem the Fujianese migrated as much as the Cantonese to N.America though.
 
Old 04-30-2014, 02:10 AM
 
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Fujian and Canton are traditionally two biggest exporters of immigrants. The reason is simple. THese two areas were poor in history and too far for the central government to have a tight control over. The majority of the overseas Chinese are from these two areas pre-1980. But these immigrants tend to be low skilled, holding jobs in restuarants or as labourers, with a lot of illegal immigrants. After 1980, waves of high skilled and high networth Chinese began to immigrate to North America, Australia, etc. That is why in Chinatowns, manderin is quickly surpassing Cantonese or Minnan as the main Chinese language.

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Weird, why Fujian? Maybe it's the familial connections? It didn't seem the Fujianese migrated as much as the Cantonese to N.America though.
 
Old 04-30-2014, 02:35 AM
 
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Fujian and Canton are traditionally two biggest exporters of immigrants. The reason is simple. THese two areas were poor in history and too far for the central government to have a tight control over. The majority of the overseas Chinese are from these two areas pre-1980. But these immigrants tend to be low skilled, holding jobs in restuarants or as labourers, with a lot of illegal immigrants. After 1980, waves of high skilled and high networth Chinese began to immigrate to North America, Australia, etc. That is why in Chinatowns, manderin is quickly surpassing Cantonese or Minnan as the main Chinese language.
Well Fujian has had a long history of immigration. Quanzhou was the greatest port in China during the Ming and early Qing, and many great expeditions left from ports in Fujian. Many great explorers left from Fujian to sail as far as Arabia. Quanzhou had a large Persian, Arabic, European trading community. My mother's ancestors come from Nan'an, just west of Quanzhou (I've been there), Quanzhou has a rich history, as does Amoy/Xiamen. Many Fujianese, especially the Hoklo from southern Fujian, settled through SEA, with some of the earliest as early as the 5th century AD in places like Borneo and Champa in Vietnam. Many of the Fujianese that immigrated to SEA subsequently came to Australia and are pretty wealthy.
 
Old 04-30-2014, 09:58 AM
 
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Well Fujian has had a long history of immigration. Quanzhou was the greatest port in China during the Ming and early Qing, and many great expeditions left from ports in Fujian. Many great explorers left from Fujian to sail as far as Arabia. Quanzhou had a large Persian, Arabic, European trading community. My mother's ancestors come from Nan'an, just west of Quanzhou (I've been there), Quanzhou has a rich history, as does Amoy/Xiamen. Many Fujianese, especially the Hoklo from southern Fujian, settled through SEA, with some of the earliest as early as the 5th century AD in places like Borneo and Champa in Vietnam. Many of the Fujianese that immigrated to SEA subsequently came to Australia and are pretty wealthy.
however, the vast majority of illegal Fujian immigrants are not from Quanzhou/South Fujian area. They are from north of the Province near Fuzhou, the capital city. They have a tranditonal urge to immigrate no matter what, and once one is out, he/she will try to bring everyone in the family/village out of the country as well.

Such a tradition is really odd, unseen anywhere else in China. Very few from the Yangtze River delta would want to be an illegal immigrants.
 
Old 04-30-2014, 05:46 PM
 
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however, the vast majority of illegal Fujian immigrants are not from Quanzhou/South Fujian area. They are from north of the Province near Fuzhou, the capital city. They have a tranditonal urge to immigrate no matter what, and once one is out, he/she will try to bring everyone in the family/village out of the country as well.

Such a tradition is really odd, unseen anywhere else in China. Very few from the Yangtze River delta would want to be an illegal immigrants.
Interesting. I've been to Fuzhou and it seemed quite wealthy/developed by Chinese standards.
 
Old 05-02-2014, 06:49 AM
 
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There is also a famous place in South Zhejiang, Wenzhou. People there are crazily active for immigration, whether it would be western countries, or simply other Chinese cities. Never understand their immigration culture.

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however, the vast majority of illegal Fujian immigrants are not from Quanzhou/South Fujian area. They are from north of the Province near Fuzhou, the capital city. They have a tranditonal urge to immigrate no matter what, and once one is out, he/she will try to bring everyone in the family/village out of the country as well.

Such a tradition is really odd, unseen anywhere else in China. Very few from the Yangtze River delta would want to be an illegal immigrants.
 
Old 05-02-2014, 07:30 AM
 
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There is also a famous place in South Zhejiang, Wenzhou. People there are crazily active for immigration, whether it would be western countries, or simply other Chinese cities. Never understand their immigration culture.
True.
Some were desperate enough to go to countries like Spain or Italy than staying in China. I don't know what a non-spanish person can gain by going to Spain, especially nowadays.

My understanding is that the Chinese still have an outdated perception of "developed countries" or "the West", assuming anything there will be 10X nicer, until they live there and start to regret. The west is not the strong and prosperous west that we knew 20 years ago, especially compared with rapidly rising living standard in China. More and more Chinese who obtained advanced degrees from the US and Canada now choose to return to their home country, and often they end up making comparable amount of/more money. Plenty of rich people still manage to get a greencard from Canada/US out of risk diversification, not because they think life is better there.
 
Old 05-02-2014, 08:02 AM
 
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For Wenzhou, it is very interesting. They just want to do business all over the world rather than their homeland. You can even find a lot Wenzhou guys doing small business in Tibet. They don't settle anywhere. Where there is business opportunity, they just go. They are like the Venician merchants.

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True.
Some were desperate enough to go to countries like Spain or Italy than staying in China. I don't know what a non-spanish person can gain by going to Spain, especially nowadays.

My understanding is that the Chinese still have an outdated perception of "developed countries" or "the West", assuming anything there will be 10X nicer, until they live there and start to regret. The west is not the strong and prosperous west that we knew 20 years ago, especially compared with rapidly rising living standard in China. More and more Chinese who obtained advanced degrees from the US and Canada now choose to return to their home country, and often they end up making comparable amount of/more money. Plenty of rich people still manage to get a greencard from Canada/US out of risk diversification, not because they think life is better there.
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