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Old 11-23-2012, 09:20 PM
 
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i'd rather have that happen too. i cant have the whole mindanao secede from the country as my mom's family (whom i'm closer to) come from northern mindanao. i love my mom's hometown too much. and it's only the sulu and southern mindanao regions that have always caused the rest of the country trouble anyway. let them secede and be a part of borneo/indonesia, their muslim brothers. and yes, i will get a lot of flak for saying this, but the muslims have caused more trouble than necessary. let them be their own sovereignty (like what the US have done with the native americans), and let's see how well they'll manage on their own.

and as much as i love my hometown of cebu, i'd rather keep it as the second most important city in the country than being the capital. i dont want it to get as crazy and messy as manila. i want it to be the austin (although it's capital of texas, but it's considerably more laidback than dallas) to manila's dallas.
They want all of Mindandao and they don't want to be part of Indonesia or Malaysia, they don't even like them. They want to be their own independent country
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Old 11-23-2012, 09:34 PM
 
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They want all of Mindandao and they don't want to be part of Indonesia or Malaysia, they don't even like them. They want to be their own independent country
they? whos they? from my experience, it's not all of mindanao that wants to secede. my relatives in northern mindanao certainly dont want to be part of muslim mindanao that wants to secede. if muslim mindanao wants to be their own country, fine! so be it! i'd be more than glad! im just bewildered why the phil. gov't still wants to keep that region and risk the safety of the entire country.
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Old 11-23-2012, 11:12 PM
 
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I bet people from the Visayas and most parts of Mindanao would rather be in the same country as Manila than be in the same country as Muslim Mindanao.
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Old 11-23-2012, 11:14 PM
 
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you obviously dont know much about areas outside of the Luzon power zone
Maybe I don't, but I still think its foolish to think it could ever happen again. Singapore is a one of a kind story which countless regions have used as their benchmark. No one has even come close to the successes of Singapore and Hong Kong. Not that it isn't worth the effort, but people need to understand the strength of an authoritarian system and a small area of land to govern. It creates huge advantages which countries or even regions of countries cannot hope to replicate. Tie it all together with Chinese cultural sensibilities for economic and governance matters and its just difficult to match.

The people of the Philippines might crave the same success, but are they willing to sacrifice to make it happen? Are they willing to put economic goals in front of family goals? Are they willing to elect leaders who make promises to govern before promises to target handouts and patronage to win elections? Are they willing to put aside ethnic and cultural differences and look at all their neighbors and fellow citizens as equals? These are the downfalls of almost every society trying to raise itself up from low income status.

Love or hate China and anyone ethnically Chinese, but they handle this better than anyone else. Even when they do succeed on their principles they don't stray once things have improved. They may ask for a little more social freedom and have different slightly different future aspirations, but they still believe in the primacy of economic ends before freedoms.
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Old 11-23-2012, 11:31 PM
 
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Maybe I don't, but I still think its foolish to think it could ever happen again. Singapore is a one of a kind story which countless regions have used as their benchmark. No one has even come close to the successes of Singapore and Hong Kong. Not that it isn't worth the effort, but people need to understand the strength of an authoritarian system and a small area of land to govern. It creates huge advantages which countries or even regions of countries cannot hope to replicate. Tie it all together with Chinese cultural sensibilities for economic and governance matters and its just difficult to match.

The people of the Philippines might crave the same success, but are they willing to sacrifice to make it happen? Are they willing to put economic goals in front of family goals? Are they willing to elect leaders who make promises to govern before promises to target handouts and patronage to win elections? Are they willing to put aside ethnic and cultural differences and look at all their neighbors and fellow citizens as equals? These are the downfalls of almost every society trying to raise itself up from low income status.

Love or hate China and anyone ethnically Chinese, but they handle this better than anyone else. Even when they do succeed on their principles they don't stray once things have improved. They may ask for a little more social freedom and have different slightly different future aspirations, but they still believe in the primacy of economic ends before freedoms.
i agree about china. i hate their brutal business ethic (i've experienced it first hand with my family dealings with some chinese businesses), but their discipline is extraordinary to the point of being spartan and martial. however, i prefer the japanese work and business ethics. my family business certainly prospered when we dealt with only japanese companies. they may be as disciplined as the chinese, but they are certainly more gracious and generous in their business dealings--especially when they know that you have been honest and earnest with them. the chinese wouldnt care any which way. whether you're honest with them or not, they will always find ways to ********* of your business.
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Old 11-24-2012, 02:43 AM
 
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they? whos they? from my experience, it's not all of mindanao that wants to secede. my relatives in northern mindanao certainly dont want to be part of muslim mindanao that wants to secede. if muslim mindanao wants to be their own country, fine! so be it! i'd be more than glad! im just bewildered why the phil. gov't still wants to keep that region and risk the safety of the entire country.
No I meant that Muslims in Mindanao want the whole island, not just the part where they live
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Old 11-24-2012, 06:06 AM
 
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I guess this is just the visayan in me talking...but I think Visayas and Mindanao will be better off if we cut off ties with Metro Manila and create our own Singapore
Manila COULD be a great centerpiece and great city. It's just that the city allows pure craziness to occur all the time of every con artists and con game in town to run wild.

I find it amazing that it's almost completely lacking in the big cities of Cebu and Davao.

Something is weird about Manila in that way. If that could be cleaned up in some way, I think it has the bones and potential to be somewhat internationally desireable. If only every foreigner, tourist and visiting Filipino wasn't scammed, cheated, and harrassed during their stay in Manila.
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Old 11-24-2012, 02:10 PM
 
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Manila COULD be a great centerpiece and great city. It's just that the city allows pure craziness to occur all the time of every con artists and con game in town to run wild.

I find it amazing that it's almost completely lacking in the big cities of Cebu and Davao.

Something is weird about Manila in that way. If that could be cleaned up in some way, I think it has the bones and potential to be somewhat internationally desireable. If only every foreigner, tourist and visiting Filipino wasn't scammed, cheated, and harrassed during their stay in Manila.
Then again seems like a lot of men who pump quite a bit (pun intended) into the economy come for just that
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Old 11-24-2012, 03:35 PM
 
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Cebu Davao, Iloilo

good deep harbor ports with easy access to SEAsia and China
That's different though. That's a good harbor for staging, but they aren't in the direct path of one of the major trade paths--the Straits of Malacca where Singapore is is actually the shortest route for a lot of shipping from the Indian Ocean to to East Asia. It's on a major arterial waterway whereas there is no equivalent in Visayas or Mindanao. They could probably come up with a separate source of income, it's just that it won't likely have the kind of entrepot status that Singapore has.

Hong Kong was interesting as a sort in-between between Mainland China and other parts of East Asia with British and other capital.
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Old 11-27-2012, 08:56 AM
 
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i'd rather have that happen too. i cant have the whole mindanao secede from the country as my mom's family (whom i'm closer to) come from northern mindanao. i love my mom's hometown too much. and it's only the sulu and southern mindanao regions that have always caused the rest of the country trouble anyway. let them secede and be a part of borneo/indonesia, their muslim brothers. and yes, i will get a lot of flak for saying this, but the muslims have caused more trouble than necessary. let them be their own sovereignty (like what the US have done with the native americans), and let's see how well they'll manage on their own.
Somehow I'm not sure what you have in mind has much to do with native americans. They are far from being sovereign.
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