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Old 12-10-2012, 02:12 PM
 
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Japan has the biggest music market in Asia, so Japanese artists simply don't feel the need to promote themselves in other Asian countries. Plus, Japan has a J-Rock scene. "Dir En Grey" toured with "KoRn" and "Deftones" in the US, and "X-Japan" won the Best International Band award at the Revolver Golden Gods Award.
for how long can they support their own industry??

dont underestimate the kind of influence s korea can have in asia region due to media
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Old 12-10-2012, 02:35 PM
 
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You don't know what you are talking about. Apart from "Winter Sonata", there was no Korean drama that became popular among Japanese TV watchers. The amount of broadcasting time do not reflect the actual interest in Hallyu since many of the Korean dramas receive comparably worse ratings in Japan.
Do you mean to say Winter Sonata was the most popular among them (or Jewel of the Palace, not sure which did better)? Or is your definition of success is that they all must be super successful like that one or they have to supplant the majority of domestic productions? I have no idea what you're trying to say here or what you think I'm saying. There was also the larger argument of how well those dramas have faired in all of East Asia outside of Japan.

Also, do you really think Japanese artists/media producers aren't keen on crossing over just because they have a large enough domestic market? Do you really think there hasn't been efforts to cross-over in several markets? That's just crazy talk. Have you ever worked in the industry before?
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Old 12-10-2012, 03:05 PM
 
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for how long can they support their own industry??

dont underestimate the kind of influence s korea can have in asia region due to media
I don't give a crap about South Korea's so-called media influence in Asia. Most people in the world don't give a crap about Hallyu. South Korea is not seen as an influental country. According to the BBC World Service poll, Japan is the country most widely viewed as having a positive influence in the world.



Japan can support their own country. Japan has 1121 billion dollar US Treasury bonds. Net external assets is 260 trillion yen(world’s best). Deposit and saving of citizens is 800 trillion yen(world’s best). Japan’s collective assets is 8553 trillion yen. Japan is a G8 member. Japan is the largest contributor to the IMF and Asia's financial crises over the last decade have been saved by Japan.

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Old 12-10-2012, 03:12 PM
 
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Do you mean to say Winter Sonata was the most popular among them (or Jewel of the Palace, not sure which did better)? Or is your definition of success is that they all must be super successful like that one or they have to supplant the majority of domestic productions? I have no idea what you're trying to say here or what you think I'm saying. There was also the larger argument of how well those dramas have faired in all of East Asia outside of Japan.

Also, do you really think Japanese artists/media producers aren't keen on crossing over just because they have a large enough domestic market? Do you really think there hasn't been efforts to cross-over in several markets? That's just crazy talk. Have you ever worked in the industry before?
Can you name Japanese artists who made efforts to cross-over in several markets? Do you see Japanese singers learning Korean and singing Korean songs to be successful in Korea?
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Old 12-10-2012, 04:06 PM
 
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Can you name Japanese artists who made efforts to cross-over in several markets? Do you see Japanese singers learning Korean and singing Korean songs to be successful in Korea?
I didn't say they learned Korean or to sing Korean songs to be successful in Korea and Korea is far from the only target or even the most desirable one--it's the West that becomes a rubric somehow for greater success. Even with that, there are many Japanese acts that tour or have toured throughout East Asia. Do you really think that was by accident? South Korea's conscious and concerted attempt, with government support in various capacities, to acquire a fanbase in other countries including Japan was/is fairly successful. So yea, South Korean popular culture has become much more successful in recent years in terms of cultural export in terms of products like pop music and dramas, and more so than Japan (which still has a longer history of cultural export and still currently dominates in anime, video games, j-pop through the two previous categories, and pornography for East Asia). What about this is rubbing you so much in the wrong way?

Yea, Japan is the wealthier, more populous, and more developed country compared to South Korea. Why does that somehow invalidate everything said about what's been happening with South Korean pop culture?
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Old 12-10-2012, 05:11 PM
 
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I didn't say they learned Korean or to sing Korean songs to be successful in Korea and Korea is far from the only target or even the most desirable one--it's the West that becomes a rubric somehow for greater success. Even with that, there are many Japanese acts that tour or have toured throughout East Asia. Do you really think that was by accident? South Korea's conscious and concerted attempt, with government support in various capacities, to acquire a fanbase in other countries including Japan was/is fairly successful. So yea, South Korean popular culture has become much more successful in recent years in terms of cultural export in terms of products like pop music and dramas, and more so than Japan (which still has a longer history of cultural export and still currently dominates in anime, video games, j-pop through the two previous categories, and pornography for East Asia). What about this is rubbing you so much in the wrong way?

Yea, Japan is the wealthier, more populous, and more developed country compared to South Korea. Why does that somehow invalidate everything said about what's been happening with South Korean pop culture?
that guy is an all out weaboo....I say one thing and he says something completely different

he cant accept that S Korean music has caputred fanbases in numerous countries in asia including japan...but jpop hasnt
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Old 12-10-2012, 05:51 PM
 
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that guy is an all out weaboo....I say one thing and he says something completely different

he cant accept that S Korean music has caputred fanbases in numerous countries in asia including japan...but jpop hasnt
Yea, and you have a weird axe to grind with tagalogs and manila/luzon in general it seems. I guess the best general view of east asians or anyone is that there are ridiculous people in all cultures.
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Old 12-10-2012, 09:15 PM
 
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It definitely picked up steam from the late 90s and on, but it started emerging in the mid 90s for Asian-American suburbs in Los Angeles as well as Taiwan as not a dominant force but at least perceptible. I think you are underplaying how popular Korean melodramas had/have become in China and Taiwan--which is a strong component of the Korean Wave aside from just K-pop sales.
I am pretty sure the korean wave was restricted to the korean teens in the suburbs of the major metros. I saw the korean wave in Northern New Jersey at that time, and it too was restricted to only the koreans in the area.
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Old 12-10-2012, 10:44 PM
 
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I am pretty sure the korean wave was restricted to the korean teens in the suburbs of the major metros. I saw the korean wave in Northern New Jersey at that time, and it too was restricted to only the koreans in the area.
In the suburbs I was in, it had spread to a lot of the other East Asian kids and occasionally others. For Taiwan, it was a bunch of nerdgirls who were into it at first.
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Old 12-10-2012, 11:20 PM
 
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My take on the East Asian music scene is here that K-pop is more popular than J-pop (in East Asia) and is fast catching up with the popularity of Mandopop even in Taiwan.

BUT K-pop is still relegated to the teenage bubble gum pop and R&B music and boy bands and girl bands (which are mostly popular only in the early 90s when acts like Britney and N-Sync still dominated the charts) and their variety of songs is limited as compared to J-pop.


So, i'd say time to move on and mature, K-pop.
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