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Old 12-06-2012, 08:25 AM
 
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okay you still havent shown any evidence that kpop rips off jpop

your comment just reeks of ignorance if you think kpop copies jpop
Do you remember BOA? She was the first generation of K-pop. She learned the Japanese language and sang Japanese pop songs that were witten by Japanese songwriters. BOA became successful because she sang J-pop and was heavily promoted by Avex, and the success in Japan was what made her famous in other Asian countries. There have been a lot of Korean singers who were influenced by BOA and started singing Japanese songs and marketing themselves to the Japanese market.

And it's clear to me that Korean popular girls groups such as Girls' Generation have adopted the cutesy style of Japanese girl groups. Seriously Japanese girl groups and Korean girl groups look virtually identical. Western girls groups look more mature and sexed up.

Japan

Morning Musume

Perfume


Korea

Girls' Generation

KARA


UK

Spice Girls

Girls Aloud


US

Pussycat Dolls

Destiny's Child
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Old 12-06-2012, 08:49 AM
 
Location: Charlotte North Carolina
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Do you remember BOA? She was the first generation of K-pop. She learned the Japanese language and sang Japanese pop songs that were witten by Japanese songwriters. BOA became successful because she sang J-pop and was heavily promoted by Avex, and the success in Japan was what made her famous in other Asian countries. There have been a lot of Korean singers who were influenced by BOA and started singing Japanese songs and marketing themselves to the Japanese market.

And it's clear to me that Korean popular girls groups such as Girls' Generation have adopted the cutesy style of Japanese girl groups. Seriously Japanese girl groups and Korean girl groups look virtually identical. Western girls groups look more mature and sexed up.

Japan

Morning Musume

Perfume


Korea

Girls' Generation

KARA


UK

Spice Girls

Girls Aloud


US

Pussycat Dolls

Destiny's Child
boa is a korean singer who does jpop

girls generation isnt jpop ...its purely kpop..I suggest you look up their "the boys" MV its very american style pop

kara is the only exception...they are becoming more jpop
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Old 12-06-2012, 10:56 AM
 
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boa is a korean singer who does jpop

girls generation isnt jpop ...its purely kpop..I suggest you look up their "the boys" MV its very american style pop

kara is the only exception...they are becoming more jpop
"the boys" was their debut US single, that's why it has a more mature vibe compared to the group's previous emphasis on cutesy themes. Thieir original marketing images has always been more similer to Japanese girls groups than American's girls groups.



This is the American style girl group. They are nothing like Girls Generation.
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Old 12-06-2012, 11:30 AM
 
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"the boys" was their debut US single, that's why it has a more mature vibe compared to the group's previous emphasis on cutesy themes. Thieir original marketing images has always been more similer to Japanese girls groups than American's girls groups.



This is the American style girl group. They are nothing like Girls Generation.
and your source is from a japanese nationalist youtube video

sounds more like christina aguilera then jpop
this was their debut song
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dqfjT2DYzE

kara's debut song If you wanna
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uo-CQZDOb4U

kpop sounds like a cutified version of american pop
its american pop with alot of fluff and adorable moments

kpop has always been wholesome and cute....has nothing to do with jpop

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Old 12-06-2012, 11:59 AM
 
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Korea suggested annexation to Japan first.
Really?

I have always thought that it was Japan's intention to annex her protectorate as part of the Empire though.
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Old 12-06-2012, 12:38 PM
 
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If you think that my comments are wrong then provide some historical evidence to refute them. It's your job.
Typically the burden of proof is on the person arguing against conventional wisdom. Just so it doesn't get lost, I should probably reiterate what I've been trying to say:

Japan's rule of Korea was not benevolent. There was deep discontent among the Korean populace that only got worse as Japan's rule continued.

I point to the March 1 movement and other nationalist movements that grew through the '20s and '30s.

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Korean history books were written during the dictatorship era and Koreans were not permitted to have academic freedom.
I'm not going to defend the Syngman Rhee era (except for its economic modernization and even then there are a ton of other factors).

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That textbook was published in 1924.
The so-called banning of Korean in schools started in 1930s.
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Old 12-07-2012, 12:01 AM
 
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and your source is from a japanese nationalist youtube video
Don't shoot messenger for revealing uncomfortable truths. Those images are real and you can't deny the fact that a Japanese girl group and a Korwan girl group have similer marketing images.

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kpop has always been wholesome and cute....has nothing to do with jpop
You clearly don't know much about the history of K-pop. S.E.S. was K-pop's first highly successful girl group and they looked nothing like Girls Genaration or Kara. From the mid 2000s and onwards, Korean girl groups adopted the cutesy style of Japanese girl groups such as Morning Musume and Perfume. American girl groups have never been marketed as wholesome and cute.

S.E.S.



BTW, Japan has the biggest music market in the world even though the population of Japan is much smaller than that of China.

From 2010 Sales Figures;
Japan Retail Value $US 4 Billion
USA Retail Value $US 3.6 Billion
South Korea Retail Value $US 116.9 Million
China Retail Value $US 23.2 Million
Global music industry market share data - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

As of 2009, when the Japanese music market was number two in the world with a 24% global share, the South Korean market was number 15, at 1%. Korea's music s market scale is much smaller than that of Japan. That is why K-pop artists are essentially developed to target the overseas market, and they put great effort into learning Japanese.
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Old 12-07-2012, 01:28 AM
 
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Really?
The Prime Minister of Korea "Lee Wan-yong" and the largest Korean political party supported the annexation. Queen Min was selling Korea out to Imperial Russia at the time but many Korean politicians didn't want to be colonized by Imperial Russia so they suggested annexation to Japan.

Here is the interesting article about Lee Wan-yong.
[FOUNTAIN]Watch How You Use 'Traitor'

"Before we pitched the net, a fish jumped into the net," said Midori Komatsu, who was the foreign affairs director at the Office of the Japanese Resident General in Korea, recollecting the eve of the Japanese annexation of Korea in August 1910. His remarks are sinking deep into our minds, and we again confirm that 91 years ago we surrendered our country to the Japanese colonial government due to our hopeless ineptitude. On Aug. 29, 1910, the imperial government of Japan promulgated that it had taken over the entire government and administration of Korea, and Wednesday was the anniversary of the national humiliation. In studying this history, let us find out who chased the fish - annexation - into the net. Choson, or Korea, suggested annexation to Japan first. Lee Ik-jik was a secret envoy of Prime Minister Lee Wan-yong.

Does this make Lee Wan-yong a traitor who stands out in thousands of years of history? The truth is not as simple as an elementary school textbook. "A Critical Biography of Lee Wan-yong," by Yun Deok-han, published in 1999, shows the complicated truth. "Until now, we have simply created an image of a betrayer of our country and joined in drubbing of the person."

First, we cannot say that Lee was a born Japanese sympathizer. He passed a government examination to become a public servant in 1882. During the "days of enlightenment" of Choson, he learned English at Yukyeong Gongwon, the nation's first language school. He served as a charge d'affaires to the United States for two years from 1888. With Yun Chi-ho and Yu Gil-jun, Lee, one of the very few Koreans who could speak English, first was known as pro-American. In 1894, he declined to take office as a charge d'affaires to Japan, citing mourning for his mother. Unlike Song Byeong-jun, a devoted member of a pro-Japanese group, Lee never learned to speak Japanese. Surprisingly, he was the founder of the Independence Club established in 1896.

In fact, Seo Jae-pil's Dongnip Sinmun (Independence Newspaper) never wrote a single line of criticism against Lee Wan-yong. Now, how should we interpret Lee, who has fallen from a foreign affairs expert with a broad scope to a traitor after the Eulsa Protectorate Treaty between Korea and Japan was signed? Maybe, he symbolizes our modern history, which we have ruined due to confusion and lack of ability.

Debates over pro-Japanese groups rise often in the political arena these days. And then they are easily forgotten. That is shameful. "Pro-Japanese group" is not an insult against others; it is a mirror reflecting us. Furthermore, isn't the net of history stretched in front of us? I am puzzled.
http://article.joinsmsn.com/news/article/article.asp?total_id=2597119&cloc=

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I have always thought that it was Japan's intention to annex her protectorate as part of the Empire though.
Japan defeated China in the first Sino-Japanese War and as a result, China accepted the independence of Korea (the first prerequisite of the Treaty of Shimonoseki)in 1895. To celebrate Korea’s independence from China, the Independence Gate was built. The gate still exist in Seoul. If annexation was the original intent by the Japanese, they would never allowed Korea to gain independence after the first Sino-Japan War.

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Old 12-07-2012, 07:03 AM
 
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Don't shoot messenger for revealing uncomfortable truths. Those images are real and you can't deny the fact that a Japanese girl group and a Korwan girl group have similer marketing images.



You clearly don't know much about the history of K-pop. S.E.S. was K-pop's first highly successful girl group and they looked nothing like Girls Genaration or Kara. From the mid 2000s and onwards, Korean girl groups adopted the cutesy style of Japanese girl groups such as Morning Musume and Perfume. American girl groups have never been marketed as wholesome and cute.

S.E.S.



BTW, Japan has the biggest music market in the world even though the population of Japan is much smaller than that of China.

From 2010 Sales Figures;
Japan Retail Value $US 4 Billion
USA Retail Value $US 3.6 Billion
South Korea Retail Value $US 116.9 Million
China Retail Value $US 23.2 Million
Global music industry market share data - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

As of 2009, when the Japanese music market was number two in the world with a 24% global share, the South Korean market was number 15, at 1%. Korea's music s market scale is much smaller than that of Japan. That is why K-pop artists are essentially developed to target the overseas market, and they put great effort into learning Japanese.
lol so much bias from you its not even funny....um I guess you were hiding under a rock during the late 90s

bubble gum pop form the USA during 1999...mandy moore during her candy years reminds me alot of kpop

Mandy Moore - Candy (Music Video) - YouTube


now look at girls generation during their early years...jpop my ass this sounds like late 90s american pop

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dqfjT2DYzE

what does japan's music market have anything to do with the argument at hand
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Old 12-07-2012, 08:42 AM
 
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now look at girls generation during their early years...jpop my ass this sounds like late 90s american pop

SNSD- Beginning - YouTube
That old video just shows that they have changed up their image to suit Japanese pop scene.
The girls have been completely made-over to resemble colorful Kawaii idols.


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what does japan's music market have anything to do with the argument at hand
80.8% of K-Pop's international sales come from Japan. K-pop artists rely on the Japanese music market greatly.
Without the Japanese music market, the K-pop industry will die.
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