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Old 12-07-2012, 02:52 PM
 
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Fine to me, but they'll still know the music. That's the whole point. Also, there's a pretty large segment of people who watch anime that are not kids.

Anyhow, yea, Korea has a strong pop music scene. That's to be weighed against a for the most part weaker Japanese one. The way I think it goes is music and melodrama overall goes to Korea, video games, animation/cartoons, and pornography goes to Japan. There's overlaps all over the place. Japan has been the stronger exporter for a longer time, but Korea has in recent years become a major cultural exporter to rival Japan in East Asia (not as much in much of the rest of the world though). I think what might be interesting is how Korea's independent music scene will fare in the years to come--that is, if there would be a rich countercultural backlash against the glossy pop being made which would produce far more interesting music. Definitely "underground" or experimental music from Japan has been incredibly rich and acclaimed, but Korea so far hasn't quite produced as much in notables.
lol korea pop culture is so popular in asia....its very influential...I was just watching a snippet of a youth orientated show in the Philippines...and they all were wearing kpop style clothes
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Old 12-10-2012, 09:35 AM
 
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Japanese animation is pretty big, that's pretty much it. I think all things taken together Japan is probably still currently ahead as a cultural exporter compared to South Korea, but this might change in the near future.
"Korean Wave" just comes across as a "fad" to me. Korea's most famous cultural export is...PSY, who is little more than a funny cartoonish character playing off negative stereotypes of Asians. Does anyone honestly think people will remenber him in 10 or 20 years time let alone 30 years or more. Japanese culture has been influential for a long time, and it still appeals to far more foreigners than Korean culture. I've liked many Japanese stuffs since I was old enough to crawl (about the time I got a Nintendo game). I think that Japan is so unique, it's like a world unto itself. And there are also many Japanese traditional things that have become 'chic' or have become associated with Japan, like Sushi, Ninja, Samurai, Origami, Kimono. etc.
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Old 12-10-2012, 09:38 AM
 
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"Korean Wave" just comes across as a "fad" to me. Korea's most famous cultural export is...PSY, who is little more than a funny cartoonish character playing off negative stereotypes of Asians. Does anyone honestly think people will remenber him in 10 or 20 years time let alone 30 years or more. Japanese culture has been influential for a long time, and it still appeals to far more foreigners than Korean culture. I've liked many Japanese stuffs since I was old enough to crawl (about the time I got a Nintendo). I think that Japan is so unique, it's like a world unto itself. And there are also many Japanese traditional things that have become 'chic' or have become associated with Japan, like Sushi, Ninja, Samurai, Origami, Kimono. etc.
Given that the Korean wave's been doing pretty well in East Asia for about two decades now, I'm not sure how much of a fad you can call it. I do think Gangnam style is a fad though. I agree that globally Japanese culture has a greater following and is more influential, but it is pretty apparent that South Korea has been growing exponentially as a cultural exporter though not to the same extent as Japan.
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Old 12-10-2012, 09:50 AM
 
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Given that the Korean wave's been doing pretty well in East Asia for about two decades now, I'm not sure how much of a fad you can call it. I do think Gangnam style is a fad though. I agree that globally Japanese culture has a greater following and is more influential, but it is pretty apparent that South Korea has been growing exponentially as a cultural exporter though not to the same extent as Japan.
The Korean Wave only began to emerge in the late 1990s. And as I said before, most of K-Pop's international sales still come from Japan.
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Old 12-10-2012, 09:57 AM
 
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The Korean Wave only began to emerge in the late 1990s. And as I said before, most of K-Pop's international sales still come from Japan.
It definitely picked up steam from the late 90s and on, but it started emerging in the mid 90s for Asian-American suburbs in Los Angeles as well as Taiwan as not a dominant force but at least perceptible. I think you are underplaying how popular Korean melodramas had/have become in China and Taiwan--which is a strong component of the Korean Wave aside from just K-pop sales.
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Old 12-10-2012, 10:53 AM
 
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It definitely picked up steam from the late 90s and on, but it started emerging in the mid 90s for Asian-American suburbs in Los Angeles as well as Taiwan as not a dominant force but at least perceptible. I think you are underplaying how popular Korean melodramas had/have become in China and Taiwan--which is a strong component of the Korean Wave aside from just K-pop sales.
if we were to compare them....kpop is immensely popular in SEAsia, China, and Taiwan.....jpop is popular amongst the otaku crowd in the west..but have little prescence in most of Asia
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Old 12-10-2012, 11:27 AM
 
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It definitely picked up steam from the late 90s and on, but it started emerging in the mid 90s for Asian-American suburbs in Los Angeles as well as Taiwan as not a dominant force but at least perceptible. I think you are underplaying how popular Korean melodramas had/have become in China and Taiwan--which is a strong component of the Korean Wave aside from just K-pop sales.
When i was in Japan, the increasing number of Korean dramas on Japanese television was seen within the industry as largely a matter of economics: they were very cheap. With advertising revenues falling, buying a South Korean drama was an easy way for some TV stations to cut costs. It's not like most Japanese TV wachers crave Korean drams, as there has been many complaints about Fuji TV station airing way too many Korean dramas. In Taiwan, the National Communications Commission recently asked a major TV station to reduce its ratio of South Korean programs. I seems like the backlash is starting.
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Old 12-10-2012, 11:43 AM
 
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if we were to compare them....kpop is immensely popular in SEAsia, China, and Taiwan.....jpop is popular amongst the otaku crowd in the west..but have little prescence in most of Asia
Japan has the biggest music market in Asia, so Japanese artists simply don't feel the need to promote themselves in other Asian countries. Plus, Japan has a J-Rock scene. "Dir En Grey" toured with "KoRn" and "Deftones" in the US, and "X-Japan" won the Best International Band award at the Revolver Golden Gods Award.
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Old 12-10-2012, 12:20 PM
 
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When i was in Japan, the increasing number of Korean dramas on Japanese television was seen within the industry as largely a matter of economics: they were very cheap. With advertising revenues falling, buying a South Korean drama was an easy way for some TV stations to cut costs. It's not like most Japanese TV wachers crave Korean drams, as there has been many complaints about Fuji TV station airing way too many Korean dramas. In Taiwan, the National Communications Commission recently asked a major TV station to reduce its ratio of South Korean programs. I seems like the backlash is starting.
They were also well-liked. The production values for some of them are pretty high and the pay for crew on Korean shoots is actually pretty good for East Asia (which has notoriously low payment for crew unless you're a westerner hired through freelance/doing a joint production). Regardless of how it came to be, the point is that it is popular. I have no idea why you are making excuses for a very obvious fact. Part of the reason why the Taiwanese government wants to step in is because it has been particularly bad for the Taiwanese film and television industry (it has been bad in general, but the popularity of Korean dramas has made it even worse). This is industry backlash--not really consumer backlash. So the South Koreans have made some cultural products that are popular, deal with it and stop getting all weird on people.
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Old 12-10-2012, 01:05 PM
 
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They were also well-liked. The production values for some of them are pretty high and the pay for crew on Korean shoots is actually pretty good for East Asia (which has notoriously low payment for crew unless you're a westerner hired through freelance/doing a joint production). Regardless of how it came to be, the point is that it is popular. I have no idea why you are making excuses for a very obvious fact. Part of the reason why the Taiwanese government wants to step in is because it has been particularly bad for the Taiwanese film and television industry (it has been bad in general, but the popularity of Korean dramas has made it even worse). This is industry backlash--not really consumer backlash. So the South Koreans have made some cultural products that are popular, deal with it and stop getting all weird on people.
You don't know what you are talking about. Apart from "Winter Sonata", there was no Korean drama that became popular among Japanese TV watchers. The amount of broadcasting time do not reflect the actual interest in Hallyu since many of the Korean dramas receive comparably worse ratings in Japan.
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