U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > World Forums > Asia
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Reply Start New Thread
 
Old 05-18-2016, 05:49 PM
 
276 posts, read 204,387 times
Reputation: 178

Advertisements

Quote:
Originally Posted by txjl123 View Post
Ranking cities is a complex matter -- there are many things that matter to a city but there could be no reliable data about it or it's difficult to measure it: history, landmarks, infrastructure, political importance, scenery, cuisine, environment ... It's even more difficult to give appropriate weights and index it as whole.
Yep - each to their own.


My own city - Melbourne consistently is ranked within the top 5 most liveable cities in the world, yet there are a myriad of issues (albeit many are first world problems).


It can be way too boring if you are between the ages of 18-50 and are healthy....but if you have kids or are older with health issues, you really do appreciate how great it is here.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 05-19-2016, 07:47 AM
 
10,847 posts, read 11,253,275 times
Reputation: 7578
Quote:
Originally Posted by willister View Post
Yep - each to their own.


My own city - Melbourne consistently is ranked within the top 5 most liveable cities in the world, yet there are a myriad of issues (albeit many are first world problems).


It can be way too boring if you are between the ages of 18-50 and are healthy....but if you have kids or are older with health issues, you really do appreciate how great it is here.
"Most livable city" is more subjective because those rankings follow a highly subjective criteria based on the needs of expats that don't necessarily apply to regular people. For example, Vancouver is always highly ranked, but I have little interest in living there. In Europe, it is hard to imagine life in Vienna is more appealing than London or Paris.


Like you hinted, most "livable" cities tend to be a tad boring and are more appealing to families with two kids who care about things like schools, safety, healthcare system more than anything else.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 07-18-2016, 12:44 AM
 
53 posts, read 35,379 times
Reputation: 27
Sometimes it is good not to have a too diverse population. Look at the racial problems of the US and England. The UK shouldn't keep Northern Ireland, it leaded to racial problems among the Whites and the Troubles.


HK's minorities are not just White businessmen.


In fact, you can often see a Filipino woman walking hand in hand with a White man in HK. And there are the South Asians and Indonesian women. There are the africans who play football in clubs and HK football team. Some of HK sport teams in international competitions are consisted of players of different skin colours. As diverse as you see in the national teams of England, the US, Brazil, France and Portugal.


Indians good at hockey and cricket. Whites good at swimming and rugby. Blacks good at football are the reasons. You can see the most diverse teams in skin colours in Asia.




Quote:
Originally Posted by botticelli View Post
As to "diverse" or "international", let's not kid ourselves. Hong Kong may not be as homogenous as Tokyo, but it is not diverse. What's the black or latino population there? Right. Some white businessmen from the rich countries don't make a city "diverse".
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 07-18-2016, 02:10 PM
 
10,847 posts, read 11,253,275 times
Reputation: 7578
Quote:
Originally Posted by fayewongfan View Post
Sometimes it is good not to have a too diverse population. Look at the racial problems of the US and England. The UK shouldn't keep Northern Ireland, it leaded to racial problems among the Whites and the Troubles.

HK's minorities are not just White businessmen.

In fact, you can often see a Filipino woman walking hand in hand with a White man in HK. And there are the South Asians and Indonesian women. There are the africans who play football in clubs and HK football team. Some of HK sport teams in international competitions are consisted of players of different skin colours. As diverse as you see in the national teams of England, the US, Brazil, France and Portugal.


Indians good at hockey and cricket. Whites good at swimming and rugby. Blacks good at football are the reasons. You can see the most diverse teams in skin colours in Asia.
HK is 93% of Chinese, 2% Filipinos, the rest all under 1%. Most of the non-Chinese are still Asian. It is not that diverse. Black population is negligible.


But I agree that being diverse is not necessarily a good thing (or a bad thing). It is just a fact, that's all.


Football teams mean nothing. Chinese teams have black players too, but those players are not Chinese citizens, probably not even residents in many case.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 07-18-2016, 08:28 PM
 
4,679 posts, read 3,609,147 times
Reputation: 7380
Quote:
Originally Posted by botticelli View Post
HK is 93% of Chinese, 2% Filipinos, the rest all under 1%. Most of the non-Chinese are still Asian. It is not that diverse. Black population is negligible.


But I agree that being diverse is not necessarily a good thing (or a bad thing). It is just a fact, that's all.


Football teams mean nothing. Chinese teams have black players too, but those players are not Chinese citizens, probably not even residents in many case.
It would be good for China's football ranking if there were more racial diversity on China's national football team. The Hans are not physically strong as a group, just numerous as heck.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 07-18-2016, 11:30 PM
 
53 posts, read 35,379 times
Reputation: 27
Almost all the players of China's international teams are Han people.


When I watch the various teams of "Hong Kong, China", I can see many faces of non East Asian.


Do you know why HK's rugby, cricket and hockey teams are among the strongest in the Far East? The reason is the team is consisted of many players of non Chinese.


All the players have HK ID cards, the right of abode in HK.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 07-19-2016, 07:04 AM
 
10,847 posts, read 11,253,275 times
Reputation: 7578
Quote:
Originally Posted by pennyone View Post
It would be good for China's football ranking if there were more racial diversity on China's national football team. The Hans are not physically strong as a group, just numerous as heck.
It is not about physical strength. Japan and Korea are doing far better. It is the corrupted system.


I have always advocated that China should just stop playing football in international games. It is hopeless.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 07-19-2016, 05:02 PM
 
276 posts, read 204,387 times
Reputation: 178
Quote:
Originally Posted by botticelli View Post
It is not about physical strength. Japan and Korea are doing far better. It is the corrupted system.


I have always advocated that China should just stop playing football in international games. It is hopeless.
It's not about size, I think during the 2002 World Cup China fielded one of the tallest, if not the tallest teams. Most of their players are from Northern China - many who are as big as or bigger than the Koreans.


As you mentioned, it is all about corruption in China but also unity - Chinese don't seem as nationalist as the Koreans or Japanese and they totally suck at any team sports.


The Koreans do better than the Japanese due to the fact that they have a fine balance between team unity, spirit and aggressiveness. Japanese on a whole have the unity but not the aggressiveness.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 07-20-2016, 02:13 PM
 
10,847 posts, read 11,253,275 times
Reputation: 7578
Quote:
Originally Posted by NJ Brazen_3133 View Post
Once Hong Kong returned to China, and China opened up, there is no more need for Hong Kong to be a base of operations for people who control the money supply. Well, Hong Kong is nicely built up, and has many luxuries and good food, so that should keep them around. But as other places in China become nicer, that presents competition.
precisely.


People shouldn't forget that HK's rapid rise occurred during very specific historical background. It served as the window for the closed China to connect with the world, and that was the design. When billions of $$ of goods go through HK, which is next to a monster, of course the city will be wealthy. Let me put it this way, if China hadn't chosen to close its doors, HK would still be a small unknown city.


Sure, people might say it is because of HK's superior legal or whatever system - there are thousands of cities with good political systems, yet not everyone can become HK. HK is HK because it is China's window to the world.


Except now nothing prevents China to open a bunch of windows. HK will still enjoy some reputation and advantage, but I am afraid it will stop rising, if not stagnating. It will face more and more competition from other "window cities", and it is just a matter of time it will lose the glamour. I am pretty sure about that. Unlike London and NYC, HK wasn't a global city for too many years, and in the past few years it is quickly fall out of China's favour. I remember 20 years ago, the Chinese will look up to HK with admiration. Even traveling or going to school there is considered an enviable privilege. Now, it is just one of the Chinese cities, good for shopping... still somewhat special but no big deal. Few look up to HK nowadays. Nowadays, it is absolutely normal for white collar professionals in Shanghai or Beijing to make the same salary as in HK.


HK is also largely restricted by its population. At 7 million, it will never enjoy the same status as London and NYC, and although Tokyo is less international, its sheer size will beat HK. IMO, Shanghai is the only Chinese city that will challenge Tokyo's status. Believe it or not, Shanghai is becoming increasing like Tokyo in terms of infrastructure (in terms of people and how they behave, it is at least 30 years behind, but Shanghai also have advantage Tokyo doesn't).


Personally, I don't want to live in any of those cities. Quality of life for an average person is abysmal despite the glamour on the surface.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 07-20-2016, 09:20 PM
 
Location: In the heights
22,117 posts, read 23,634,230 times
Reputation: 11611
Hong Kong's largest advantage was its perceived stability and autonomy compared to mainland Chinese cities. As Hong Kong becomes increasingly controlled under the same overall rulers as the rest of the mainland Chinese cities, its advantages will dim. As Hong Kong's rule of law and general autonomy outside of a potentially heavy-handed state system erodes, it will continue to lose the advantage it had. In that sense, Hong Kong will have an increasingly difficult time being the world city it had been.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:

Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > World Forums > Asia
Similar Threads
Follow City-Data.com founder on our Forum or

All times are GMT -6.

2005-2019, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35 - Top