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Jakarta 50 43.48%
Manila 65 56.52%
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Old 06-25-2014, 12:57 PM
 
Location: No. Virginia, USA
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SMTCHLL: With all due respect sir, Indonesia's GDP is 3 times that of the Philippines and it is growing.
Philippines is a wonderful place to visit (I love it), but it is not going to be the next BRIC country.
We shall see. Peace.

 
Old 06-25-2014, 01:14 PM
 
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SMTCHLL: With all due respect sir, Indonesia's GDP is 3 times that of the Philippines and it is growing.
Philippines is a wonderful place to visit (I love it), but it is not going to be the next BRIC country.
We shall see. Peace.
Indonesia also has two and a half times more people than the Philippines. That's why I posted GDP per capita
Indonesia- $5,214
Philippines- $4,682

Philippines isn't that far off from Indonesia. And when it comes to Human Development Index, Philippines is slightly higher.

And to say that Indonesia is on the upward trajectory and the Philippines isn't is false as well because they both have similar growth rates

Real GDP growth rate (2013)
Philippines- 6.8
Indonesia- 5.3

GDP growth Q4 2013
Philippines- 6.3
Indonesia- 5.72

GDP growth Q1 2014
Philippines- 5.7
Indonesia- 5.21
 
Old 06-25-2014, 09:00 PM
 
Location: Pilipinas
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I didn't know that living in Tondo prevents anyone from getting a job in Makati? Where the hell did that come from? LOL. As far as I know, anyone, anywhere can find a job anywhere in my country. Did we live in the same country?

Rajko's pics makes me happy it really is happy to know my country is not as poor as everyone seems to know. Love that new airport proposal too. Hope they build it.

Hopefully when I visit Philippines in the future that's the airport I land in.
Hola, Muchas gracias senor!

Nice to be here... just came from the other site like this skyscrapercity.com

Anyway, Let me expound things here.. Yes there is always some sort of discrimination in applying jobs here in M.M. Multinational companies prefer youngsters not above 38 -40s, can communicate well in English, qualifications among others.. But living in Tondo might affect sometime but not at all the time. with due respect to Tondo people.. The reputation living there might be the factor sometimes. But in other industry like industrial, manufacturing etc... residence doesn't matter, as long as you can deliver and do your job.

Re the New Airport its been approved by the president to be funded by San Miguel Corp. that includes bullet train from that HUGE airport going to CBD Areas of Makati.

Re pics that I've posted, those were just tip of the iceberg.. a lot of development happening in Metro Manila now-a-days. Even President Obama, NBA Teams, Hollywood celebrities amazed during their visit.

Have you heard of the Phl- Jpn SUBWAY to be built soon, the elevated 10 lane highway from Bulacan to Laguna 60kms stretch, Branded Cafes and Fastfood from the U.S. soon, The Railway connecting Metro Manila to Clark Airbase, The Casino City along Manila Bay (the next Macau), The introduction of Electric Jeepney soon, the really fast growing outsourcing business from the US and Europe in M.M. and many other things..

If I got more time, I'll post more pics.. Cheers!
 
Old 06-25-2014, 09:00 PM
 
Location: Jakarta, Indonesia
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The Newly approved New Manila International Airport @ Manila Bay, Metro Manila
(Biggest in Asia in the Making @ US $ 10B)


To be funded by San Miguel Corporation. This one is a separate project from the Proposed Gov't New Airport

Source: San Miguel presents $10B airport proposal to Malacañang
Nice but i doubt that its going to be the biggest... Chinese or Indian airport are probably the biggest in Asia considering their huge population. Nevertheless our new airport is coming up next year.

 
Old 06-25-2014, 09:11 PM
 
Location: Pilipinas
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Nice but i doubt that its going to be the biggest... Chinese or Indian airport are probably the biggest in Asia considering their huge population. Nevertheless our new airport is coming up next year.
Nope. try to google it. It will surpass/challenge the existing Beijing Airport.

Nothing to do with the population men, this is a private funded project to be operated by SMC group and to be transfered to the gov't after 25 yrs. As the SMC president said in one of his interviews that the airport to be built is just exclusive for Philippine Airlines and friends.. since Pal is re-fleeting of around 100 units under new management (SMC). And it is intended to boost tourism sector and for the anticipation of a bigger progressive Metro Manila in the future.

Also, another airport to be built under the Gov't's funding, this time outside of Metro Manila but within Greater Manila Area, (the former US airbase in Cavite Sangley point airbase)
 
Old 06-25-2014, 09:12 PM
 
Location: Jakarta, Indonesia
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they're both on the upward trajectory, but they're both still poor, third-world cities with a long way to go. I see the Philippines going in the right direction now more than ever because the RH Law has passed. Population growth has been the main thing holding back the country and now there's a solution that most Filipinos are in favor of. Anyways, they're very comparable cities and the countries are comparable as well.

The following are from wikipedia:
GDP per capita PPP
China- $9,844
Indonesia- $5,214
Philippines- $4,682

Human Development Index
China- 0.699
Philippines- 0.654
Indonesia- 0.629

Real GDP growth rate (2013)
China- 7.60
Philippines- 6.80
Indonesia- 5.30

GDP growth first quarter 2014
China- 7.4
Philippines- 5.7
Indonesia- 5.21

So to say that the Philippines is far behind is wrong because it's ahead of Indonesia in some categories. Let's also keep in mind that China is a third world country too.

Crime is where the Philippines really looks bad in comparison:

Intentional Homicide Rate
China- 1.0 per 100,000
Indonesia- 0.6 per 100,000
Philippines- 8.8 per 100,000
Source: Data

So yes, Philippines is by far more dangerous, but it has a similar murder rate to Costa Rica and Peru, and I never hear people complaining about how dangerous those countries are. And the Philippine has far less crime than most of Latin America despite having the same level of poverty or worse.
Ahh yes Indonesia's gdp growth is currently being hampered by coming election and very recent mineral ore export ban, its a good move i would say and im proud to say that! its ridiculous that our coal and copper and constantly bought by other nation, who wants to keep their own reserve and Indonesia overelying on it makes me sick.
 
Old 06-25-2014, 09:21 PM
 
Location: Jakarta, Indonesia
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I don't see how they don't compare. They're probably the two most comparable cities in the world. Similar size and population, similar climate, the people look similar. Manila is exciting (hectic) like Jakarta. And it's definitely on the move. There was a another thread on the World section that showed that Manila has the most skyscrapers currently understand construction of any city in the world. I'd say that means it's on the move. Exotic? probably not. It's very American and Latin with an almost Thai backdrop. I agree that Manila is probably less safe than Jakarta, but Manila isn't dangerous compared to most 3rd world cities. The big problem with Jakarta that will be a headache in the future is that it's sinking. The main problem for Manila's future is that it will likely get hit by a major earthquake. So both cities need major upgrades.
Yes but according to different source Jakarta experienced the largest growth on office buildings spaces and luxury condos, its also been the fastest growing luxury market in the world for 3 years in a row. The city is also currently building up a metro system, one huge airport complete with railink service and a huge dam to prevent it sinking in future. Manila is on the move too but not to the extend Jakarta currently is progressing. The biggest issue for Jakarta to be an attraction is traffic, dirty stinking open sewer, lack of appropriate public transportation and lack of consideration for pedestrians to walk properly on its street.

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The sinking issue is already public knowledge, that's why we have huge islands dam currently built on the shore of the north city and the city is also at risk of getting hit by major earthquake. Manila will also be threatened by the rising sea water.

And yes Jakarta is surprisingly safe despite its reputation.

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Originally Posted by Chasva69 View Post
SMTCHLL: With all due respect sir, Indonesia's GDP is 3 times that of the Philippines and it is growing.
Philippines is a wonderful place to visit (I love it), but it is not going to be the next BRIC country.
We shall see. Peace.
Indonesia is just the bigger country with more resource and country, so yes it does have the chance of being the next China.

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Old 06-25-2014, 09:30 PM
 
Location: Jakarta, Indonesia
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Originally Posted by Smtchll View Post
Indonesia also has two and a half times more people than the Philippines. That's why I posted GDP per capita
Indonesia- $5,214
Philippines- $4,682

Philippines isn't that far off from Indonesia. And when it comes to Human Development Index, Philippines is slightly higher.

And to say that Indonesia is on the upward trajectory and the Philippines isn't is false as well because they both have similar growth rates

Real GDP growth rate (2013)
Philippines- 6.8
Indonesia- 5.3

GDP growth Q4 2013
Philippines- 6.3
Indonesia- 5.72

GDP growth Q1 2014
Philippines- 5.7
Indonesia- 5.21
The issue with HDI in Indonesia is that the fact that its has such a huge population, and people living on remote provinces that do not finish their high school in favor to work as early as possible, unfortunately this is still the mindset of the people living in the rural area. But consider the fact that the country used to be the poorest in Southeast Asia right after the independence, even more backward than Laos then and even India.

Myanmar, Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia however eventually gets into some big trouble, and Indonesia also used large amount of its cash to wage (horrible) war. but still it eventually overgrowth the Philippines in per capita, and closing the gap between Indo and neighboring Thailand and Malaysia who is already quiet rich. It also have better infrastructure than the Philippines and big infrastructure projects are also expanded to the more remote province.
 
Old 06-25-2014, 09:34 PM
 
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I didn't know that living in Tondo prevents anyone from getting a job in Makati? Where the hell did that come from? LOL. As far as I know, anyone, anywhere can find a job anywhere in my country. Did we live in the same country?

Rajko's pics makes me happy it really is happy to know my country is not as poor as everyone seems to know. Love that new airport proposal too. Hope they build it.

Hopefully when I visit Philippines in the future that's the airport I land in.
Don't get too excited about the airport. It's just a proposal by the owner of PAL. Not even approved yet. And they're planning to build it by reclaiming lands off Manila Bay so..
 
Old 06-25-2014, 09:37 PM
 
Location: Pilipinas
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Yes but according to different source Jakarta experienced the largest growth on office buildings spaces and luxury condos, its also been the fastest growing luxury market in the world for 3 years in a row. The city is also currently building up a metro system, one huge airport complete with railink service and a huge dam to prevent it sinking in future. Manila is on the move too but not to the extend Jakarta currently is progressing. The biggest issue for Jakarta to be an attraction is traffic, dirty stinking open sewer and lack of consideration for pedestrians to walk properly on its street.

The sinking issue is already public knowledge, that's why we have huge islands dam currently built on the shore of the north city and the city is also at risk of getting hit by major earthquake. Manila will also be threatened by the rising sea water.

And yes Jakarta is surprisingly safe despite its reputation.



Indonesia is just the bigger country with more resource and country, so yes it does have the chance of being the next China.
I don't think Jakarta is better than Manila. Its been 2014 and yet you just started to build your metro system.. That data on the growth rates of your country heavily depends on exports of minerals and some raw materials. While our country more on outsourced outputs (call centers for the US Market).

Until when you have the luxury of exporting your natural resources? when your mountains are gone? that's kinda sad.. it is supposed to be for your people than selling it abroad.

The difference/hindrance of our 2 cities or countries would be the culture. we enjoy that we do business with west and US with our english language skill, and we as predominantly catholic nation makes us closer to the west and more liberated / open minded in a way than Indonesia or Jakarta. Most of the Filipinos have relatives in the States and Europe. People to people wise I guess we got the advantage. Though we were slowed by the corrupt previous president. While Indonesia enjoys the abundant natural resources and link to muslim gulf region than ours. Don't get me wrong, just trying to give some of my observations.
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