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Old 08-06-2015, 09:36 AM
 
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Not mine but your statement leads to a conclusion: Chinese people are poor learners of foreign languages.



Off topic, but can you tell the differences among 吃了饭 vs 吃饭了 vs 吃了饭了? Many Chinese people can't tell the differences
It depends on what you look at. If you only focus on grammar, Chinese people may make the most mistakes in certain ways, because Chinese has the poorest morphology among major languages in the world. It is not news.

However, when Chinese and Americans study Japanese together, normally you will see Chinese students acquire the vocabulary of Japanese much faster than Americans do, although Chinese students may have more issues in grammar.

When I looked at the 初级日本语教程 used in China, the first lesson after 五十音图 has "田中さんは日本人です"(with kanji), and the second lesson has "王さんは、図書館に行きます".
American students certainly cannot go that fast. It is true the other way round as well: although many westerners and Africans speak very good Chinese, in terms of reading and writing, Japanese (and maybe Koreans) usually perform the best.

Chinese people may not know how to explain the use of 吃了饭 vs 吃饭了 vs 吃了饭了, but they can put them in the right context. It is true for most people in the world, without training in linguistics.

Generally, if you want to express "I have already eaten", you should use 我吃了饭了。 我吃了饭 emphasizes the action more than the event, and it can even be something in the future (我明天吃了饭去学校。)
吃饭了 can mean it is time to eat, while the other two do not have this meaning.
However, their semantics can overlap in certain contexts too.

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Old 08-06-2015, 09:48 PM
 
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However, when Chinese and Americans study Japanese together, normally you will see Chinese students acquire the vocabulary of Japanese much faster than Americans do, although Chinese students may have more issues in grammar.

When I looked at the 初级日本语教程 used in China, the first lesson after 五十音图 has "田中さんは日本人です"(with kanji), and the second lesson has "王さんは、図書館に行きます".
American students certainly cannot go that fast. It is true the other way round as well: although many westerners and Africans speak very good Chinese, in terms of reading and writing, Japanese (and maybe Koreans) usually perform the best.
Yes, Chinese people tend to memorize Japanese vocabularies faster than Americans do at the beginning. But, once Americans handle basic Kanji's, Americans leave Chinese behind generally.

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Chinese people may not know how to explain the use of 吃了饭 vs 吃饭了 vs 吃了饭了, but they can put them in the right context. It is true for most people in the world, without training in linguistics.

Generally, if you want to express "I have already eaten", you should use 我吃了饭了。 我吃了饭 emphasizes the action more than the event, and it can even be something in the future (我明天吃了饭去学校。)
吃饭了 can mean it is time to eat, while the other two do not have this meaning.
However, their semantics can overlap in certain contexts too.
The usages of 了 are complicated, and more so with 过 combined.

I have already eaten = 我吃了饭了, however, I would reply with 我吃过了 if someone asked me whether I have or not.

As for the second sentence, I would add 再 to it, as 我明天吃了饭再去学校.
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