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Old 02-14-2013, 06:43 PM
 
Location: The western periphery of Terra Australis
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The Japanese and Koreans just seem like workaholics. I'm not sure if they've always been like this, or if this is a more recently phenomenon, if the stories are true I would hate to be born a Japanese or Korean. Business who go to work at 5am, leave at maybe 8pm and then socialise with clients.etc until 2am. Their poor wives as well. I think being hard-working was a necessity in the lean post-war years, which drove the Japanese 'economic miracle' and that they haven't quite kicked the habit/feel they have to continue to work like mad to stay afloat. The economy has been in recession since 1990 and Japan seems fading in prominent globally, overshadowed by Korea and Japan (although still very powerful and influential mind you) with an ageing population, so it will be interesting to see the social changes this will bring.
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Old 02-14-2013, 07:58 PM
 
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The Japanese and Koreans just seem like workaholics. I'm not sure if they've always been like this, or if this is a more recently phenomenon, if the stories are true I would hate to be born a Japanese or Korean. Business who go to work at 5am, leave at maybe 8pm and then socialise with clients.etc until 2am. Their poor wives as well. I think being hard-working was a necessity in the lean post-war years, which drove the Japanese 'economic miracle' and that they haven't quite kicked the habit/feel they have to continue to work like mad to stay afloat. The economy has been in recession since 1990 and Japan seems fading in prominent globally, overshadowed by Korea and Japan (although still very powerful and influential mind you) with an ageing population, so it will be interesting to see the social changes this will bring.

I had just read a interesting report about which cultures work more hours. The results were suprising.

Average annual hours actually worked per worker

Top 3:

Mexico: 2250 per person a year
Korea: 2090 per person a year
Chile: 2047 per person a year

further down

12. United States: 1787 hours per person a year
18. Japan: 1728 hours per person a year (their tougher labor laws has really helped)
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Old 02-14-2013, 08:06 PM
 
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^ Wonder how they count 'hours worked.' I've heard many Japanese workers spend hours in the office just doing nothing. A lot of things in Asian society just seem like a 'formality.'
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Old 02-14-2013, 09:54 PM
 
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^ Wonder how they count 'hours worked.' I've heard many Japanese workers spend hours in the office just doing nothing. A lot of things in Asian society just seem like a 'formality.'

Is that really work then?
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Old 02-14-2013, 10:01 PM
 
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^ Wonder how they count 'hours worked.' I've heard many Japanese workers spend hours in the office just doing nothing. A lot of things in Asian society just seem like a 'formality.'
Well, if they're so tired of from not getting enough sleep, how can they be productive? Keeping face and making sure the boss leaves first, spending lots of times socializing after work, plus horrendous commutes doesn't leave them with time and energy to take care of their houses / families / personal lives / etc.
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Old 02-14-2013, 10:03 PM
 
Location: US Empire, Pac NW
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^ Wonder how they count 'hours worked.' I've heard many Japanese workers spend hours in the office just doing nothing. A lot of things in Asian society just seem like a 'formality.'
This is true. I too would like to know how they calculated it.

I saw a recent study that the US worker actually worked the second most in the world, behind South Korea. They took the number of hours actually being worked as opposed to just milling around doing nothing.

In Japan, you have to show up at the office at the same time every day no matter what ... even if you don't have the work to do. You twiddle your thumbs, play games, or if you're feeling generous to take on something the boss wants you to do (though this could be seen as brown-nosing by coworkers and a sign that you're underworked to your boss ... which could be a double-edged sword ... and too risky in most circles). One guy I know who works in a travel agency said he kills free time by looking at news, doing online shopping, going to an online dating service (he's single), reading his favorite manga, or looking at bootlegged copies of his favorite Kpop or Jpop shows (usually police dramas) from Chinese websites. When he does have a girlfriend, he chats her up by email.

Another guy I know who works at a mechanic shop said he usually has time to work on his own car. His boss is a former street racer (hashiriya) so he lets him do it sometimes. I had to LOL at that because it sounds just like Initial D. That's one of his favorite manga too.

Said that usually only 50% of the time at most both of them are actually working. They're OK with it though, much of the time the mandatory hangout time after work is shooting the breeze and getting drunk and letting loose. They do wish they had more time at home, and are envious of me. They hate that I get to go home after being at work only 8-9 hours. I tell them that's because I'm usually working (I have my slow periods too but they're not consistent). I then get to go home and spend my time as I see fit.

My wife (who is from Japan) was at first worried about me coming home "so quickly" because in Japan that's usually a sign you're going to be laid off or nobody cares if you're there or not. But she quickly realized it's the norm, and doesn't like it when I have to work late (which happens consistently every 3-4 years or so due to cyclic nature of my work).
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Old 02-15-2013, 06:55 PM
 
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This is true. I too would like to know how they calculated it.

I saw a recent study that the US worker actually worked the second most in the world, behind South Korea. They took the number of hours actually being worked as opposed to just milling around doing nothing.

In Japan, you have to show up at the office at the same time every day no matter what ... even if you don't have the work to do. You twiddle your thumbs, play games, or if you're feeling generous to take on something the boss wants you to do (though this could be seen as brown-nosing by coworkers and a sign that you're underworked to your boss ... which could be a double-edged sword ... and too risky in most circles). One guy I know who works in a travel agency said he kills free time by looking at news, doing online shopping, going to an online dating service (he's single), reading his favorite manga, or looking at bootlegged copies of his favorite Kpop or Jpop shows (usually police dramas) from Chinese websites. When he does have a girlfriend, he chats her up by email.

Another guy I know who works at a mechanic shop said he usually has time to work on his own car. His boss is a former street racer (hashiriya) so he lets him do it sometimes. I had to LOL at that because it sounds just like Initial D. That's one of his favorite manga too.

Said that usually only 50% of the time at most both of them are actually working. They're OK with it though, much of the time the mandatory hangout time after work is shooting the breeze and getting drunk and letting loose. They do wish they had more time at home, and are envious of me. They hate that I get to go home after being at work only 8-9 hours. I tell them that's because I'm usually working (I have my slow periods too but they're not consistent). I then get to go home and spend my time as I see fit.

My wife (who is from Japan) was at first worried about me coming home "so quickly" because in Japan that's usually a sign you're going to be laid off or nobody cares if you're there or not. But she quickly realized it's the norm, and doesn't like it when I have to work late (which happens consistently every 3-4 years or so due to cyclic nature of my work).


My wife had the same thoughts when we first started dating haha.

You should have seen the reaction from my inlaws when I took two weeks of vacation.
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Old 02-16-2013, 07:50 PM
 
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My wife had the same thoughts when we first started dating haha.

You should have seen the reaction from my inlaws when I took two weeks of vacation.
Haha, yeah. My wife used to work for a travel agency in the US, but owned by a Japanese firm, and for two years she thought that I was going to be laid off.

I wasn't, and she realized the truth about work time in the USA. She quit as soon as she could, and removed a major sticking point in our marriage (she was working insane hours for barely above poverty wages, I laid down that if we have kids she has to quit and find a different job that has American-normal hours, because call me crazy, but I love my wife and want to be with her).
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