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Old 08-23-2013, 08:26 AM
 
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No I do not because I looked at the pictures over and over and a small handful can pass off as Chinese-Singaporean (the two light skinned girls wearing the long sleeved red costumes) but the majority of them look like Southeast Asians. They look Thai. They do not look like Han Chinese aka Southern Chinese.

Southeast Asian and Southern Chinese DNA ARE NOT similar, and that was the fallacious statement that somebody wrote earlier without any thought or knowledge. Majority of people in the whole list of Southeast Asian countries (Philippines, Cambodia, Malaysia, Indonesia, Brunei, Laos, Burma) do not look like Han Chinese.

Chinese Americans of ancestry from Fujian, Singapore, Taiwan, Guangdong province, look like Korean Americans but they do not look like Southeast Asians.

The white Americans love to converge in forums and discuss Asian women. And even them, people who are not familiar with a culture far removed from them, know about East Asian people and what they look like and Southeast Asian people and what they look like.

This is another US born Chinese American who is Han Chinese from Southern China ancestry.

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I asked you once and I ask again.
Majority of people in the whole list of Southeast Asian countries (Philippines, Cambodia, Malaysia, Indonesia, Brunei, Laos, Burma) are Southeast Asian and have Southeast Asian DNA. Are you saying that most of them look East Asian? You can't tell a Southeast Asian from an East Asian?!

Even the horny white men in America can. Go read the American forum threads on Asian women.

 
Old 08-23-2013, 08:30 AM
 
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You sound like you have an agenda. We don't everything about our genetic story, but your assertions just sound biased. Indeed what does 22% 'Chinese' DNA even mean? Similarity is measured by specific markers between population. And WHICH 'Chinese' are we talking about? Chinese from Beijing, Chengdu, Hong Kong? They're all different, even if they share a lot in common. Korean civilisation(s) was established before there was even such thing as a 'Chinese' national/ethnic identity.
Just because I don't disagree with you, doesn't mean I have an agenda. I'm talking about my article. You need to ask the Japanese scientists who were involved in that scientific study about their sample of their Chinese participants.
 
Old 08-23-2013, 08:34 AM
 
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We were talking about S.Chinese and Vietnamese, not all SE Asians. Vietnamese are themselves different from Thai, Malay, Khmer.etc. That the Viets look more North-east Asian is obvious even to non-Asians. I can see some SEA in many of them, but many could easily pass in S.China. I never claimed that a typical pure Malay could pass in S.China, although I've even seen many pale Malays who could pass for Chinese and dark Chinese who are mistaken for Malay.

As for skin colour, I think the lightness of N.Chinese is actually exaggerated. I think it's more a city vs rural and class thing. There are dark peasants in the north and very pale urban dwellers in the south. In Vietnam there are some women who look lily-white who are ethnic Kinh.

Oh so it's just Viet now huh?

Now let me see who was the one who made those statements.

The reason non-Asians say some Viets pass off as East Asians is because of the admixture for some of them. I disagree they, as an ethnicity look more Northeast Asian. Some of them, but not most (Some Malaysians are Han Chinese. Most are Malays). I rarely see a Viet with the trademark Oriental eyes as well, which is common but not definitive of all Han Chinese.

I know Han Chinese with ancestry from all parts of China with rather large eyes. No surgery.
 
Old 08-23-2013, 08:35 AM
 
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I asked you once and I ask again.
Majority of people in the whole list of Southeast Asian countries (Philippines, Cambodia, Malaysia, Indonesia, Brunei, Laos, Burma) are Southeast Asian and have Southeast Asian DNA. Are you saying that most of them look East Asian? You can't tell a Southeast Asian from an East Asian?!

Even the horny white men in America can. Go read the American forum threads on Asian women.
As I said, I was originally talking about Vietnamese, not all SEA's. Like East or NEA's, they're a diverse group. I never said I couldn't tell SEA's from NEA's apart, except for some Vietnamese. If you go to Thailand, you'll see people who span the gamut, because it's a real mix. The Dai, cultural forebearers of the Thai people, came from Yunnan province from about 1200 AD! That's the Tang dynasty! Have a look at how Dai in China look.

I've been to bars in Bangkok and Phuket and a lot of the girls there look pretty Chinese. Some probably are or partially are. A lot of drunk Western men probably wouldn't immediately be able to tell the difference...but yeah, obviously, I can generally tell the difference between a Thai, Cantonese and Beijinger.
 
Old 08-23-2013, 10:59 AM
 
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Thai and Vietnamese are different peoples, the north has some of the same minorities Vietnam has like the Hmong. I actually saw quite a few pale people in the South too, especially the women, but yeah still darker than Hanoi.
I notice that Thai/Tai/Zhuang and pure Viet are similar. Hmong is more same Han Chinese than Thai.
Features of pure Kinh(Viet) are: high cheekbones, wide face , deep eyes a bit . The ignore rumor that Kinh(Viet)=Han Chinese mixture Mon Khmer is extremly stupid, because many South Vietnamese , who are mixture between Han Chinese and Khmer/Cham completely difference North Vietnamese (pure Viet) . I remind the bigest feature of Han Chinese is flat face , pure Viet are high cheekbones. (Guangxi and Yunnan people are same pure Viet than Guangdong people).

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Old 08-23-2013, 11:11 AM
 
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I notice that Thai/Tai/Zhuang and pure Viet are similar.
Features of pure Kinh(Viet) are: high cheekbones, wide face , deep eyes a bit . The ignore rumor that Kinh(Viet)=Han Chinese mixture Mon Khmer is extremly stupid, because many South Vietnamese , who are mixture between Han Chinese and Khmer/Cham completely difference North Vietnamese (pure Viet) . I remind the bigest feature of Han Chinese is flat face , pure Viet are high cheekbones.
Interesting, I notice the cheekbones too. Many Southern Chinese tend to have the cheekbones too. I've been complimented on my cheekbones, and my sister said she was jealous of them haha. I notice many Viets do have slightly deeper set eyes and higher bridges than more northerly Mongoloids, although bridge height is variable amongst the Chinese. I did notice some difference between those from the South and North. In the north, they look more Chinese, a bit taller, paler, smaller eyes, slightly lower bridge. S.Vietnam looks slightly Australoid, maybe a hint of it, i think quite a few Viets are mixed with Cham and Khmer since S.Vietnam was Khmer/Cham until 500-200 years ago. Saigon was Prey Nokor, a Khmer settlement.

I don't think there's that much Han admixture in Vietnam, but the 'purest' Vietnamese should be from the north. I think the Viets are naturally like the Southern Chinese and minorities from S.China because they lived so close to them.
 
Old 08-23-2013, 11:12 AM
 
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I notice that Thai/Tai/Zhuang and pure Viet are similar. Hmong is more same Han Chinese than Thai.
Features of pure Kinh(Viet) are: high cheekbones, wide face , deep eyes a bit . The ignore rumor that Kinh(Viet)=Han Chinese mixture Mon Khmer is extremly stupid, because many South Vietnamese , who are mixture between Han Chinese and Khmer/Cham completely difference North Vietnamese (pure Viet) . I remind the bigest feature of Han Chinese is flat face , pure Viet are high cheekbones.
Yes the Hmong came from China only recently, so I think they are similar to Southern and Central Han.
 
Old 08-23-2013, 11:31 AM
 
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Most of the Hmong people in the US are in Minnesota.

Where are they originally from? The funny thing is, my Minnesotan white friend was telling me about them for the first time after he moved to Missouri (there are a small number in MO now), and I had NEVER heard of this ethnicity in my life. I was like wtf is that?! He was like, haven't you heard of them? But you are Asian! LOL.

Sorry I do not think that File:Hmong women at Coc Ly market, Sapa, Vietnam.jpg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia looks anything like Lin Chi Ling Reconciling With Jerry Yan?

Han Chinese No.
 
Old 08-23-2013, 11:35 AM
 
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Most of the Hmong people in the US are in Minnesota.

Where are they originally from? The funny thing is, my Minnesotan white friend was telling me about them for the first time after he moved to Missouri (there are a small number in MO now), and I had NEVER heard of this ethnicity in my life. I was like wtf is that?! He was like, haven't you heard of them? But you are Asian! LOL.

Sorry I do not think that File:Hmong women at Coc Ly market, Sapa, Vietnam.jpg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia looks anything like Lin Chi Ling Reconciling With Jerry Yan?

Han Chinese No.
I interacted with the Hmong in Sapa. They still subsist on the land. There are various different types of Hmong, red, black, flower.etc. I also stayed with a Hmong family, they kept plying me with rice wine lol. Beautiful scenery and memorable experience, my guide was great too. It's getting a bit commercialised though and they really milk tourists.

There are various theories, one proposing they come from as far as Mongolia. I didn't see any, but apparently there are blonde Hmong, even adults! I did notice some of the children had dark brown hair - a trait I've also noticed among some young Khmer children and Korean children.
 
Old 08-23-2013, 11:56 AM
 
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I also feel the rise of Mandarin in Singapore is Mandarin imperialism at the expense of Hokkien, Teochew, Hakka.etc.
It was Lee Kuan Yew who eradicated the dialects in Singapore in the 70s. Ask your parents.
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I don't think Taiwanese-American sounds silly...I think they are classified as Chinese by the US census
And why do you think that is so? Its because the term is silly. Anyway ROC isn't recognized by the US, whose official stand is to support the One China policy. Even Americans know that Taiwanese people are ethnically Chinese. Its only the ones in Taiwan who are still drunk on KoolAid.
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I wonder if the same applies to Singaporeans though. Likewise, Singaporean-American is a valid title, especially if one's family has lived there a long time.
No descendants of Singapore immigrants in the USA calls himself/herself that. They say they are Chinese-Americans.

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