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According to a research study done by the Hôpital Saint-Louis in Paris, France: "the comparison of the Vietnamese with other East Asian populations showed a close genetic relationship of the population under investigation with other Orientals", with the exception of seven unique markers. These results, along with remnants of Thai enzyme morphs, indicate a theory of a dual ethnic origin of the Vietnamese population from Chinese and Thai populations.[25] A 2001 HLA study headed by laboratories at the Mackay Memorial Hospital in Taipei (Taiwan) classifies the Vietnamese people in the same genetic cluster as the Miao (Hmong), Southern Han (Southern Chinese), Buyei and Thai, with a divergent family consisting of Thai Chinese and Singapore Chinese, Minnan (Hoklo) and Hakka.[26]
so yes Vietnamese are more "northeast" whatever that means if it means more southern chinese than the THAI of current Thailand. Thai of current Thailand have mon khmer mix very evident in most and still evident in some.
Where did any source every say like what you are claiming about lol? Thai has more Khmer mixed then Vietnamese LOL???, Where is your fact? Did you ever read what I posted in here?
Vietnamese have been living in Southeast Asia for over 20,000 years ago.
If count since the history ever recorded then it would 4800 years ago (2879 BC).
Map of Asia at 500BCE.
Obviously Vietnameses were alredy in Southeast Asia and live along side with Mon-Khmer, while at the same time the Tai/Dai/Thai race were still living in Southwest-Midwest of China.
Now when compare timeline of Vietnamese(Kinh) and timeline of Thai(Tai/Dai). Vietnamese basically have been living in Southeast Asia for at least 20000 years, but I will count since their history ever recorded, which is based on Hong Bang Dynasty started which is 4800 years ago.
Timeline of Thai(Tai/Dai), basically moved down from Southwest/Midwest of China in 12-13 century on the exact same time as Mongol invasion in China. So basically have been living 700-800 years ago.
Now think by yourself that the group that moved from China 700-800 years ago vs a group that have been living in Southeast Asia for 4800 years (It will definitely a lot longer then that if count from the exact start which is 20000 years ago), now think by yourself which group is going to be more connected to Northeast Asia, 700-800 years vs 4800 years (or 20000 years).
Every facts shown that Vietnamese(Kinh) is definitely has more Khmer mixed and also longer history living along side Khmer than Thai(Tai), even physical appearance comparing based on the majority in the video Thai still shown more of Northeast Asian looking.
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Where did any source every say like what you are claiming about lol? Thai has more Khmer mixed then Vietnamese LOL???, Where is your fact? Did you ever read what I posted in here?
Every facts shown that Vietnamese(Kinh) is definitely has more Khmer mixed and also longer history living along side Khmer than Thai(Tai), even physical appearance comparing based on the majority in the video Thai still shown more of Northeast Asian looking.
Ah ezio auditore you just proved yourself as a thai troll thanks for attempting to not show your bias but you failed. You are honestly saying that Thai today look more northeast asian looking than Vietnamese. See how good I am at spotting Thai trolls I have been dealing with you guys for years.
I dont get why you thai dont like to show your Khmer blood. Are you so ashmed of us?
The fact is just going by history that Viets are more northeast asian whatever the hell that means. Van Lang could have been a mon khmer state but that was invaded by the Au Viet who were an upland tai peoples.
The Âu Việt were also referred to the Kingdom of East Ou (東甌), descendants of the Yue (state) moved to Fujian after its fall, and the West Ou (西甌; Chinese: Xī Ōu; Tây meaning "western"). The West Ou were considered to be one of the Bǎiyuè tribes. They had short hair and tattoos, and blackened their teeth.[1]They are considered to have been the ancestors of the upland Tai-speaking minority groups in Vietnam such as the Nung and Tay,[4][5] as well as the closely related Zhuang people of Guangxi.
The Âu Việt traded with the Lạc Việt, the inhabitants of the state of Văn Lang, which was located in the lowland plains to Âu Việt's south, in what is today the Red River Delta of northern Vietnam, until 258 BC or 257 BC, when Thục Phán, the leader of the alliance of Âu Việt tribes, invaded Văn Lang and defeated the last Hùng Vương. He named the new nation "Âu Lạc", proclaiming himself "An Dương Vương" ("King An Dương").[1]
258 BC is when the Au Viet invaded Van Lang. So already you have mixing of peoples the upland tais and the inhabitants of Van Lang. Then after this you will have the 1000 year Chinese conquest. So how the hell are you saying that Vietnamese are not more "northeast" than Thai? You are a freaking moron.
The Tai that came into modern area of Siam established their first strong kingdom by 1258.... China had already been entrenched in Vietnam for a while the Tai that came to Siam area were still pretty pure Tai heritage.
The Khmer empire fell apart 1431 and Siam began its intermixing then. How do you keep saying Vietnamese are more mon khmer or non northeast asian when they had already begun losing their supposed van lang heritage since 220sth BC?
Interestingly, the research has eventually shown close affinities with Chinese and Japanese DNA – which represent the “noble white Asian stock” – while nothing is said about Lao or Khmer DNA…
Such an obsession for a “pure and old Thai race” is not new, nor is it isolated. It comes along with other obsessions, such as pride of the national flag. Eventually this produces a conceptual framework which reminds me, relatively speaking, of European racist and evolutionist theories at the end of the nineteen century.
The Tais from the north gradually settled in the Chao Phraya valley from the tenth century onwards, in lands of the Dvaravati culture, assimilating the earlier AustroasiaticMon and Khmer people, as well as coming into contact with the Khmer Empire. The Tais were engulfed into the Hindu-Khmer culture and this gave rise to the Thai culture. Early Thai chiefdoms included the Sukhothai Kingdom and Suphanburi. The Lavo Kingdom, which was the center of Khmer culture in Chao Phraya valley, was also the rallying point for the Thais. The Thai were called “Siam” by the Angkorians and they appeared on the bas relief at Angkor Wat as a part of the army of Lavo kingdom. Sometimes the Thai chiefdoms in the Chao Phraya valley were put under the Angkorian control under strong monarchs (including Suryavarman II and Jayavarman VII) but they were mostly independent.
Over the centuries, the Tai intermarried and absorbed many of the other populations who co-inhabited and/or politically occupied the region, particularly populations of Mon–Khmer, Burmese, and Chinese descent. This fusion of ethnicity has led to considerable genetic diversity in the modern Thai people, and has resulted in a Tai population significantly diversify in culture, language and apparel from the Tai ethnic groups who remained in China. In addition, many of the individual Tai ethnic groups have merged under a common Thai identity, and have adopted a nationalistic view of their culture.
lol you thai crack me up always trying to make THAI a race when THAI is a mix of mon khmers and Tai which is a race.
1000 year chinese domination of Vietnam plus the Au Viet tai tribes than conquered van lang and you are trying to say that vietnamese are less northeast than thai ? lolsss Yea you are right the Tai who came into Thailand today did arrive around 800 years ago, but they have been more recently mixed with mon khmers than Vietnamese have. It doesnt matter if you keep saying vietnamese were in southeast asia.... thais today have more recent mon khmer blood than Vietnamese do end of discussion.
Ah ezio auditore you just proved yourself as a thai troll thanks for attempting to not show your bias but you failed. You are honestly saying that Thai today look more northeast asian looking than Vietnamese. See how good I am at spotting Thai trolls I have been dealing with you guys for years.
I dont get why you thai dont like to show your Khmer blood. Are you so ashmed of us?
The fact is just going by history that Viets are more northeast asian whatever the hell that means. Van Lang could have been a mon khmer state but that was invaded by the Au Viet who were an upland tai peoples.
The Âu Việt were also referred to the Kingdom of East Ou (東甌), descendants of the Yue (state) moved to Fujian after its fall, and the West Ou (西甌; Chinese: Xī Ōu; Tây meaning "western"). The West Ou were considered to be one of the Bǎiyuè tribes. They had short hair and tattoos, and blackened their teeth.[1]They are considered to have been the ancestors of the upland Tai-speaking minority groups in Vietnam such as the Nung and Tay,[4][5] as well as the closely related Zhuang people of Guangxi.
The Âu Việt traded with the Lạc Việt, the inhabitants of the state of Văn Lang, which was located in the lowland plains to Âu Việt's south, in what is today the Red River Delta of northern Vietnam, until 258 BC or 257 BC, when Thục Phán, the leader of the alliance of Âu Việt tribes, invaded Văn Lang and defeated the last Hùng Vương. He named the new nation "Âu Lạc", proclaiming himself "An Dương Vương" ("King An Dương").[1]
258 BC is when the Au Viet invaded Van Lang. So already you have mixing of peoples the upland tais and the inhabitants of Van Lang. Then after this you will have the 1000 year Chinese conquest. So how the hell are you saying that Vietnamese are not more "northeast" than Thai? You are a freaking moron.
The Tai that came into modern area of Siam established their first strong kingdom by 1258.... China had already been entrenched in Vietnam for a while the Tai that came to Siam area were still pretty pure Tai heritage.
The Khmer empire fell apart 1431 and Siam began its intermixing then. How do you keep saying Vietnamese are more mon khmer or non northeast asian when they had already begun losing their supposed van lang heritage since 220sth BC?
Interestingly, the research has eventually shown close affinities with Chinese and Japanese DNA – which represent the “noble white Asian stock” – while nothing is said about Lao or Khmer DNA…
Such an obsession for a “pure and old Thai race” is not new, nor is it isolated. It comes along with other obsessions, such as pride of the national flag. Eventually this produces a conceptual framework which reminds me, relatively speaking, of European racist and evolutionist theories at the end of the nineteen century.
The Tais from the north gradually settled in the Chao Phraya valley from the tenth century onwards, in lands of the Dvaravati culture, assimilating the earlier AustroasiaticMon and Khmer people, as well as coming into contact with the Khmer Empire. The Tais were engulfed into the Hindu-Khmer culture and this gave rise to the Thai culture. Early Thai chiefdoms included the Sukhothai Kingdom and Suphanburi. The Lavo Kingdom, which was the center of Khmer culture in Chao Phraya valley, was also the rallying point for the Thais. The Thai were called “Siam” by the Angkorians and they appeared on the bas relief at Angkor Wat as a part of the army of Lavo kingdom. Sometimes the Thai chiefdoms in the Chao Phraya valley were put under the Angkorian control under strong monarchs (including Suryavarman II and Jayavarman VII) but they were mostly independent.
Over the centuries, the Tai intermarried and absorbed many of the other populations who co-inhabited and/or politically occupied the region, particularly populations of Mon–Khmer, Burmese, and Chinese descent. This fusion of ethnicity has led to considerable genetic diversity in the modern Thai people, and has resulted in a Tai population significantly diversify in culture, language and apparel from the Tai ethnic groups who remained in China. In addition, many of the individual Tai ethnic groups have merged under a common Thai identity, and have adopted a nationalistic view of their culture.
LOL ! Ejay ! Why do you have to creat a new account LOL !!! ?? To make it seem like people are more agreed with you LOL??? What a lame . (Hint : Everyone will know or even a monkey will know who are you when they see the stupid cherry picked pictures of yours LOL)
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The Âu Việt were also referred to the Kingdom of East Ou (東甌), descendants of the Yue (state) moved to Fujian after its fall, and the West Ou (西甌; Chinese: Xī Ōu; Tây meaning "western"). The West Ou were considered to be one of the Bǎiyuè tribes. They had short hair and tattoos, and blackened their teeth.[1]They are considered to have been the ancestors of the upland Tai-speaking minority groups in Vietnam such as the Nung and Tay,[4][5] as well as the closely related Zhuang people of Guangxi.
The Âu Việt traded with the Lạc Việt, the inhabitants of the state of Văn Lang, which was located in the lowland plains to Âu Việt's south, in what is today the Red River Delta of northern Vietnam, until 258 BC or 257 BC, when Thục Phán, the leader of the alliance of Âu Việt tribes, invaded Văn Lang and defeated the last Hùng Vương. He named the new nation "Âu Lạc", proclaiming himself "An Dương Vương" ("King An Dương").[1]
The fact is Lac Viet, are the people who have been living in Southeast Asia since 4900 years ago which mean that they are definitely one of Mon-Khmer people. So Vietnamese before the Chinese rule = Lac Viet(Mon-Khmer)+An Viet(Tai).Now the fact is the Chinese that invade and rule Vietnam was S.Chinese and generally no different from the Tai people in looks and DNA. So that counts them to be on the same level as the Tai.So basicallly if combine all together majority of Northern Vietnamese in Hanoi today = Lac Viet (Mon-Khmer)+An Viet(Tai)+S.Chinese(Same level as the Tai). That means Northern Vietnamese has 1/3 of Mon-Khmer, while 2/3 of Tai in them. Now let's compare to the Northern Thai, Northern Thai are definitely pure 100% Tai, didn't mix with anything else.
So Northern Vietnamese (2/3 Tai +1/3 Mon-Khmer) VS Northern Thai (3/3 Tai), I bet everyone that have brain know that which group is more Northerner. So you are basically an idiot that saying the one with 1/3 Mon-Khmer is more Northerner than the one with fully 3/3 Tai.
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258 BC is when the Au Viet invaded Van Lang. So already you have mixing of peoples the upland tais and the inhabitants of Van Lang. Then after this you will have the 1000 year Chinese conquest. So how the hell are you saying that Vietnamese are not more "northeast" than Thai? You are a freaking moron.
The Tai that came into modern area of Siam established their first strong kingdom by 1258.... China had already been entrenched in Vietnam for a while the Tai that came to Siam area were still pretty pure Tai heritage.
The Khmer empire fell apart 1431 and Siam began its intermixing then. How do you keep saying Vietnamese are more mon khmer or non northeast asian when they had already begun losing their supposed van lang heritage since 220sth BC?
I don't know that you know what does the word "BC" means or no (I hope you aren't that stupid). Now think about it, 1258 years ago - now = 755 years (That is how long the Tai have been in Southeast Asia) VS 220 BC = (2213 years ago, that is how long the An Viet or the"Tai" mixed with the Lac Viet, the original people on Van lang).
Now question is you are claiming that the Tai group (An Viet) the came down into Southeast Asia since 2213 years ago and mixed with the original people of Northern Vietnam(Lac Viet) are more northerner than the Tai group that came down recently just only 755 years ago and didn't even mix with the Mon-Khmer? (I am talking about Northern Vietnam and Northern Thailand). I would say what you are talking about is sound freaking moron.
2 words, complately bullsh1t LOL !
How about if I do it back LOL ? ! (even monkey know how to do what you are doing which is what it called "Cherry picked")
Easy isn't it LOL? (If you are still going to continue this bullsh1t cherry picking, then fine OK LOL ! Because it such easy that even a monkey still know how to do ).
Interestingly, the research has eventually shown close affinities with Chinese and Japanese DNA – which represent the “noble white Asian stock” – while nothing is said about Lao or Khmer DNA…
Such an obsession for a “pure and old Thai race” is not new, nor is it isolated. It comes along with other obsessions, such as pride of the national flag. Eventually this produces a conceptual framework which reminds me, relatively speaking, of European racist and evolutionist theories at the end of the nineteen century.
If so then if would be nothing wierd at all if the pure 100% Tai are going to look Northeast Asian (Based on your source LOL).
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Over the centuries, the Tai intermarried and absorbed many of the other populations who co-inhabited and/or politically occupied the region, particularly populations of Mon–Khmer, Burmese, and Chinese descent. This fusion of ethnicity has led to considerable genetic diversity in the modern Thai people, and has resulted in a Tai population significantly diversify in culture, language and apparel from the Tai ethnic groups who remained in China. In addition, many of the individual Tai ethnic groups have merged under a common Thai identity, and have adopted a nationalistic view of their culture.
Vietnamese is also definitely mixed nationality.
Northern = Mixed of Lac Viet(Mon-Khmer)+Tai+S.Chinese.
Center = Northern(Mixed of Lac Viet(Mon-Khmer)+Tai+S.Chinese)+ Cham.
South = Khmer+Cham.
lol you thai crack me up always trying to make THAI a race when THAI is a mix of mon khmers and Tai which is a race.
1000 year chinese domination of Vietnam plus the Au Viet tai tribes than conquered van lang and you are trying to say that vietnamese are less northeast than thai ? lolsss Yea you are right the Tai who came into Thailand today did arrive around 800 years ago, but they have been more recently mixed with mon khmers than Vietnamese have. It doesnt matter if you keep saying vietnamese were in southeast asia.... thais today have more recent mon khmer blood than Vietnamese do end of discussion.
You are also crack me up to say that saying that the one with 1/3 Mon-Khmer is more Northeast Asian than the one with 3/3 pure mongolid. (I am talking Northern area of both Vietnam and Thailand)
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The fact is Lac Viet, are the people who have been living in Southeast Asia since 4900 years ago which mean that they are definitely one of Mon-Khmer people. So Vietnamese before the Chinese rule = Lac Viet(Mon-Khmer)+An Viet(Tai).Now the fact is the Chinese that invade and rule Vietnam was S.Chinese and generally no different from the Tai people in looks and DNA. So that counts them to be on the same level as the Tai.So basicallly if combine all together majority of Northern Vietnamese in Hanoi today = Lac Viet (Mon-Khmer)+An Viet(Tai)+S.Chinese(Same level as the Tai). That means Northern Vietnamese has 1/3 of Mon-Khmer, while 2/3 of Tai in them. Now let's compare to the Northern Thai, Northern Thai are definitely pure 100% Tai, didn't mix with anything else.
So Northern Vietnamese (2/3 Tai +1/3 Mon-Khmer) VS Northern Thai (3/3 Tai), I bet everyone that have brain know that which group is more Northerner. So you are basically an idiot that saying the one with 1/3 Mon-Khmer is more Northerner than the one with fully 3/3 Tai.
If you are going to talk about the whole nation here is how the ethnic are make up in both Vietnam and Thailand
Vietnamese
Northern area = Mixed of Lac Viet(Mon-Khmer)+Tai+S.Chinese.
Center area= Northern(Mixed of Lac Viet(Mon-Khmer)+Tai+S.Chinese)+ Cham.
South area= Khmer+Cham.
Thai
Northern+Northern Issan area= pure Tai
Center area= Tai+Chinese+Khmer
Southern Issan area= Khmer
Southern area= Malay
LOL ! Ejay ! Why do you have to creat a new account LOL !!! ?? To make it seem like people are more agreed with you LOL??? What a lame . (Hint : Everyone will know or even a monkey will know who are you when they see the stupid cherry picked pictures of yours LOL)
The fact is Lac Viet, are the people who have been living in Southeast Asia since 4900 years ago which mean that they are definitely one of Mon-Khmer people. So Vietnamese before the Chinese rule = Lac Viet(Mon-Khmer)+An Viet(Tai).Now the fact is the Chinese that invade and rule Vietnam was S.Chinese and generally no different from the Tai people in looks and DNA. So that counts them to be on the same level as the Tai.So basicallly if combine all together majority of Northern Vietnamese in Hanoi today = Lac Viet (Mon-Khmer)+An Viet(Tai)+S.Chinese(Same level as the Tai). That means Northern Vietnamese has 1/3 of Mon-Khmer, while 2/3 of Tai in them. Now let's compare to the Northern Thai, Northern Thai are definitely pure 100% Tai, didn't mix with anything else.
So Northern Vietnamese (2/3 Tai +1/3 Mon-Khmer) VS Northern Thai (3/3 Tai), I bet everyone that have brain know that which group is more Northerner. So you are basically an idiot that saying the one with 1/3 Mon-Khmer is more Northerner than the one with fully 3/3 Tai.
I don't know that you know what does the word "BC" means or no (I hope you aren't that stupid). Now think about it, 1258 years ago - now = 755 years (That is how long the Tai have been in Southeast Asia) VS 220 BC = (2213 years ago, that is how long the An Viet or the"Tai" mixed with the Lac Viet, the original people on Van lang).
Now question is you are claiming that the Tai group (An Viet) the came down into Southeast Asia since 2213 years ago and mixed with the original people of Northern Vietnam(Lac Viet) are more northerner than the Tai group that came down recently just only 755 years ago and didn't even mix with the Mon-Khmer? (I am talking about Northern Vietnam and Northern Thailand). I would say what you are talking about is sound freaking moron.
2 words, complately bullsh1t LOL !
How about if I do it back LOL ? ! (even monkey know how to do what you are doing which is what it called "Cherry picked")
Easy isn't it LOL? (If you are still going to continue this bullsh1t cherry picking, then fine OK LOL ! Because it such easy that even a monkey still know how to do ).
If so then if would be nothing wierd at all if the pure 100% Tai are going to look Northeast Asian (Based on your source LOL).
Vietnamese is also definitely mixed nationality.
Northern = Mixed of Lac Viet(Mon-Khmer)+Tai+S.Chinese.
Center = Northern(Mixed of Lac Viet(Mon-Khmer)+Tai+S.Chinese)+ Cham.
South = Khmer+Cham.
LOL your paranoid now....Im not khmer btw...I think this guy might know you lol
yes i think i definetly know who this person ezio auditore is.But maybe I dont because all Thai trolls try to make distinctions against other Southeast Asians and try to brainwash everyone that they are some kind of pure "thai" race. First the whole premise is wrong because "THAI" is a recent government creation to get everyone into the same nationalist batsh1t mood. This guy is probably a thai chinese that I know by other names, thai chinese always try to blend themselves in with Thailand to feel at home :P lol
By your own third math bs you are still sinking your own ship. Sure maybe northern thai are 3/3 tai whatever that means, but what percent of population of Thailand are northern thai? So by your very logic you are cherry picking I dont think you understand that... Cherry picking one portion of the Thailand population to say that Thailand is more "northeast" than Vietnamese )
Your math still doesn't make sense anyway. Van Lang people hypothetically might be a mon khmer. They were invaded by an upland Tai peoples in 250BC. So automatically they are 1/2 tai 1/2 mon khmer. Obviously since Van Lang was defeated so easily its population was probably smaller than the Au Viets. so already this first hypothetical mxing is 2/3 tai 1/3 mon khmer. Then add 1000 years of Chinese domination.. how does that only make Northern Vietnamese 2/3 non mon khmer? if a people dominate an area for 1000 years you think 0 mixing went on ? LOL keep trolling dog The tai tribes that came down to modern Thailand came about 800 years ago. They have had the most recent mixing of mon khmer blood and it flatly shows in a large portion of the Thailand population.
Comparison
You have to reach and try to make vietnamese looking like mon khmers when I can go to central thailand bangkok pattaya and find dark skin mon khmer looking people easily ) who is doing the cherry picking?
truong thi may. a khmer krom model in vietnam. Ok so do vietnamese models look like her? Wow I couldnt tell if she was Vietnamese or Khmer )
I am a khmer ethnic tribe member all my khmer central friends even lao friends can tell vietnamese from lao thai or us khmer. Its only you who keeps trying to force everyone to think that Vietnamese are more mon khmer than "THAI". haha
Is this cherry picked? Do you know who this man is ? He is of Tay heritage and dark skin so? Is he magically now a mon khmer) lol you think people with dark skin are mon khmer but any ethnic around the world can have dark skin. mon khmer facial features can always be seen even a light skin mon khmer looks different than a vietnamese.... http://www.danchimviet.info/wp-conte...ngDucManh2.jpg
I think your people should get over this topic already.
because im bored of thai trolls like ezio auditore trying to "prove" their white asianness to the world. its rediculous how thailand tries to steal others histories and then pretend to be some kind of magic pure race when the word "thai" isnt even a real ethnic. Tai is a really ethnic Thai is the mixed mon khmer tai and recent chinese people.
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I have been dealing with you guys for years. 
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