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Old 04-23-2013, 01:58 PM
 
Location: VA
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I agree. Singapore does have a lack of legitimate reasons for developing a prominent military and trying to integrate some military obligations into part of society there. It is not necessary since there is relative peace in the region, Singapore being so wealthy, and attempting to defend a geographically small nation against the much larger neighboring countries.

Singapore for this situation should instead focus more on positive, stable international relations and diplomacy with Malaysia and Indonesia.
I disagree, sure things are relatively peaceful now, but that can change in the future. Like I said, Singapore is surrounded by neighbors who don't particularly like the Chinese and politics is like the wind, it can change direction anytime.
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Old 04-24-2013, 10:04 PM
 
Location: Derby, Western Australia
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I disagree, sure things are relatively peaceful now, but that can change in the future. Like I said, Singapore is surrounded by neighbors who don't particularly like the Chinese and politics is like the wind, it can change direction anytime.
That's partly true, but what can Singapore do if one of the large powers decides to invade - it has no chance with or without a period of national service and high military spending unless it has a larger power who would help defend their country. I mean Malaysia can just turn off the water tap to Singapore if it feels like it.

Having said that Malaysia-Singapore relations are at their best since independence and it's hard to see this build-up of goodwill with the rest of the region just disappearing overnight.

It's also useful remember that Singapore did not willingly leave the Federation of Malaysia, they were expelled due to Singapore disagreeing with the national government's affirmative action policies towards the bumiputra, and there were a number of race riots during this time. I'm not sure Malaysia is interested in annexing Singapore anyway if it means adding a substantial number of Chinese to the mix which could threaten these policies.
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Old 05-13-2013, 09:06 PM
 
Location: The western periphery of Terra Australis
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Well the culture of Singapore is still very much the culture of Malaysia, although the situation in Malaysia may have diverged from that of Singapore. Singapore is one of the three 'Straits Settlements': the others being Penang, and Malacca, and shares a similar history and culture to those two cities: both established largely as colonial outposts with European heritage, trading centres with large immigration populations (especially the influential Chinese communities) as well as a relatively large amount of mixing between the different cultures.

The main difference between Singapore and Malaysia, apart from the socio-economic and political situation, is language. While Malay is one of the official languages and is still firmly embedded in the city state's heritage and identity (in the national anthem for instance), Singapore moved away from Malay nationalism (largely because it was majority Chinese since it's early days) promoting both English and Mandarin as the main languages, with English really being the de-facto main language of business, government, commerce.etc.

In terms of the grass-roots culture, however, Singapore isn't that different to Malaysian cities like Malacca, George Town, Johor Bahru and a lesser extent Ipoh. The food is almost the same - especially the Hawker style food, and both have an Indian population of around 10%. Singapore is still home to a vibrant ethnic Malay population, which is evident if you go to somewhere like Bedok or Eunos.
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Old 11-17-2013, 10:29 AM
 
Location: Macao
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It's unfortunate that Singapore wasn't created just plain larger!

I quite like Singapore and Malaysia a lot, but I like Singapore a bit better, and it would be amazing if it had more affordable rural areas as well.
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Old 03-15-2014, 07:05 AM
 
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http://ktemoc.blogspot.com/2010/09/t...singapore.html

Hmm I'm Malaysian. I do adore how Singapore was now. But maybe I'm not happy at all if I choose to live there.
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Old 03-15-2014, 03:02 PM
 
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Many Malay Malaysians DO mind about the loss of Singapore. They regard it as a Malay realm that should have been part of Malaysia (esp the Sultanate of Johor), but unfortunately with a twist of fate, has become dominated by Chinese, a fact that is especially loathed by the nationalists. Ultra-nationalists often use this as a rallying call to incite the Malays so as to stand up united against a possible usurpation of political power by the Chinese community in Malaysia, and warn them not to vote for any Chinese/Non-Malay/secular political parties.
This type of mentality among the Malaysians should be encouraged, as long as protests are non-violent in nature. What's the point of Malaysia existing if ethnic Malays are not in control of their own country? This ethnic tension is occurring in other parts of the world too, such as Mandalay in Burma where Chinese from Yunnan are steadily approaching 50% in that city.
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Old 10-08-2014, 03:12 AM
 
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It's also useful remember that Singapore did not willingly leave the Federation of Malaysia, they were expelled due to Singapore disagreeing with the national government's affirmative action policies towards the bumiputra, and there were a number of race riots during this time. I'm not sure Malaysia is interested in annexing Singapore anyway if it means adding a substantial number of Chinese to the mix which could threaten these policies.
That's interesting. I didn't know that Singapore didn't willingly leave the Federation of Malaysia.
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Old 10-11-2014, 12:22 AM
 
Location: Miami-Jax
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Generally, Singaporean and Malaysian having good relationship to one another. If Singapore is part of Malaysia now, the Chinese ethnic will make up the majority instead of Muslim. So that is why It has to be divined into two countries.
I am Singaporean-Chinese
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I think at the time of decolonization, the demographics were either really close or a a slight Chinese majority. Over the decades, the Malay population grew a lot faster than the Chinese population did and government policy in Malaysia made it disadvantageous for some Chinese Malaysians to stay in the country rather than emigrate.
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Someone in an email told me one main reason for the separation between Malaysia and Singapore was because of ethnic reasons with more ethnic Chinese in Singapore regionís history, and Malaysia wanting a Malay majority/Chinese minority.
This all jives with what my family has "taught" me all along. I'm a first-generation American-born Chinese whose family goes back several generations in Malaysia. Many of my cousins and their friends have struggled with the decision whether to leave or fight for change...my parents left decades ago and never looked back (well, we have visited over a dozen times but they will never move back) but others in my family are very involved in the community and politics and hope for more equality.

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Ipoh does have a noticeably different situation from Singapore, and not having the exact favorable geographic location, major city status, and economic wealth of Singapore.
Just to be clear, Singapore was NOT a wealthy or prosperous nation at all when they separated from Malaysia. Lee Kuan Yew really turned things around, likely to the chagrin of the Malaysian government.

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It's also useful remember that Singapore did not willingly leave the Federation of Malaysia, they were expelled due to Singapore disagreeing with the national government's affirmative action policies towards the bumiputra, and there were a number of race riots during this time. I'm not sure Malaysia is interested in annexing Singapore anyway if it means adding a substantial number of Chinese to the mix which could threaten these policies.
That's the story my father tells me.
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Old 10-11-2014, 05:08 AM
 
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Do all Singaporeans have special affinity with their roots in China, India or Malaysia for Singaporean-Chinese, Singaporean-Indians or Singaporean-Malays respectively?
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