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Old 04-25-2013, 06:44 AM
 
Location: Charlotte North Carolina
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This varies by country. In rough descendingorder of ethnic Chinese pre-eminence

Singapore is majority ethnic Chinese and yes, they do have political power there.

In Thailand the Sino-Thais tend to be more assimilated into the general population and there isn't that much tension as in the other countries.

Philippines it's pretty similar, though you have had some problems with kidnappings of well-to-do ethnic Chinese, but it seems to be more motivated by money. Some politicians past and present with Chinese ancestry - Benigno Aquino III (current president), Cory Aquino (past president), Marcos.

Malaysia - Chinese have representation in the ruling coalition National Front but it's pretty much accepted that the majority Malays (bumiputra) will have political dominance. Bumiputras get preferences also for school spaces and government jobs, which puts off a lot of the Chinese there (man of whom go overseas for schooling or even emigrate).

Indonesia - a small minority of Chinese tycoons have a lot of economic clout. However, there has long been a lot of discriminatory policies vs. Chinese, such as restrictions on Chinese language media. Many ethnic Chinese take indigenous names.
LIke I said chinese in SEAsia have made many concessions towards the locals
They either adapt and assimilate to the local culture or leave


Ummm singapore is 70% chinese....they are the majority there
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Old 04-25-2013, 07:35 AM
 
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This varies by country. In rough descendingorder of ethnic Chinese pre-eminence

Singapore is majority ethnic Chinese and yes, they do have political power there.

In Thailand the Sino-Thais tend to be more assimilated into the general population and there isn't that much tension as in the other countries.

Philippines it's pretty similar, though you have had some problems with kidnappings of well-to-do ethnic Chinese, but it seems to be more motivated by money. Some politicians past and present with Chinese ancestry - Benigno Aquino III (current president), Cory Aquino (past president), Marcos.

Malaysia - Chinese have representation in the ruling coalition National Front but it's pretty much accepted that the majority Malays (bumiputra) will have political dominance. Bumiputras get preferences also for school spaces and government jobs, which puts off a lot of the Chinese there (man of whom go overseas for schooling or even emigrate).

Indonesia - a small minority of Chinese tycoons have a lot of economic clout. However, there has long been a lot of discriminatory policies vs. Chinese, such as restrictions on Chinese language media. Many ethnic Chinese take indigenous names.
What about in Myanmar, or Cambodia? And how does one gain economic clout when there is discriminatory policies against them?
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Old 05-13-2013, 09:38 PM
 
Location: The western periphery of Terra Australis
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Whenever I'm in Singapore or Malaysia I see most of the labourers and construction workers appear to be either South Indian or Malay. Not sure why the poor Chinese aren't really involved in sector, but they appear to favour setting up their own businesses, although I do see them sweeping roads and cleaning toilets.etc.
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Old 05-13-2013, 09:47 PM
 
Location: singopore
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i want say china have a high population, therefore the chinese labor is relatively cheap which is definitely the way recently. some chinese go abroad to seek a better (at least payment) job opportunity~ in America or southeast Asian, but I don't think the all the chinese do the menial jobs~
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Old 05-14-2013, 11:38 PM
 
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What about in Myanmar, or Cambodia? And how does one gain economic clout when there is discriminatory policies against them?
There are ethnic Chinese in those country, but how many are left after the military came to power (Myanmar/Burma) or after the Pol Pot slaughter (Cambodia), I'm not sure.

In countries where their are explicit policies that favor the indigenous majority (namely Malaysia and Indonesia) The Chinese had the businesses and economic activity dating from colonial times, before the indigenous majority got power. So the relationship is a bit of a tacit agreement - the government won't push them TOO hard so as to drive the Chinese out of the country and take their assets, causing economic chaos, and the Chinese will cede some political power to allow their businesses to continue.

It varies by country. I know in Malaysia a lot of Chinese-dominated companies may hire a bumiputra titular head or rep on their board of directors to give them political cover. They also give support to the ruling party as well.
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Old 06-18-2019, 08:31 AM
 
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Chinese in the us menial labour sector are mostly China born not educated in the US.
Overseas Chinese in Southeast Asia are in the region more than 3 generations except some Chinese moved to Singapore.
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In southeast Asia, are the overseas chinese well represented in the menial labor sector of each of the countries' economies?

Like in America, I say the chinese are well entrenched in the menial labor sector. They mostly work in the food service field, and construction, and retail industries concentrated in the various Chinatown of our major cities. Of course, you have many chinese in the professional services, science and engineering, and medical fields too.

But I am wondering in Southeast Asia where most overseas chinese reside, are they known only as engineers, doctors, and business owners, or do they too take part in the more basic levels of employment?
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Old 06-18-2019, 05:52 PM
 
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Overseas Chinese in Southeast Asia are in the region more than 3 generations except some Chinese moved to Singapore.
the chinese have been trading with SE Asia since time immemorial.

as Ho Chi Minh said: the while people come and go but the chinese stays forever (not the exact quotation)
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Old 06-18-2019, 07:09 PM
 
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In southeast Asia, are the overseas chinese well represented in the menial labor sector of each of the countries' economies?

Like in America, I say the chinese are well entrenched in the menial labor sector. They mostly work in the food service field, and construction, and retail industries concentrated in the various Chinatown of our major cities. Of course, you have many chinese in the professional services, science and engineering, and medical fields too.

But I am wondering in Southeast Asia where most overseas chinese reside, are they known only as engineers, doctors, and business owners, or do they too take part in the more basic levels of employment?
Different background of why they migrated to those countries in the first place. Most Chinese in Southeast Asia are descendants of traders in the long past. So being a trader or starting business of their own has run through their veins from generations.

Take 2 unique examples of 2 provinces with highest number of self-identified Chinese population in Indonesia. in 2010, Jakarta had more than 632K population, while West Kalimantan had 352K population. Total self-identified Chinese population that year was 2.8M people (but the real number could be much higher, estimated as many as 8M people, because the methodology used was "self-identifying" and Chinese ethnicity faced fierce discrimination in the past)

Most Chinese in Jakarta are descendants of traders when the city was still called Batavia, under Dutch ruler. Nowadays most of them follow what their ancestors did, business owners of a small shop till the richest tycoons in the country.

In contrast, most Chinese in West Kalimantan are descendants of Gold Miners coming to the island centuries ago. Nowadays you can find them working just any jobs, from mayor of a city to stewardess in small restaurants.
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Old 06-18-2019, 09:27 PM
 
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Chinese in the us menial labour sector are mostly China born not educated in the US.
Overseas Chinese in Southeast Asia are in the region more than 3 generations except some Chinese moved to Singapore.
Chinese have also been in the U.S. for more than three generations as well. They go back to at least the building of the railroads if not well-before. The William Hearst 'Yellow Peril' campaigns as well which was back during the British Opium Wars, etc., etc., etc.

They go back at least 3-6 generations.
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