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Old 05-05-2009, 07:25 AM
 
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Russian was the most used language in Kazakhstan during the time of the Soviet era. This was due to force from the government of Moscow,also known as Russification. This extended to names. You would have a name like Ibrahim. That name would be Russified to "Ibragimov". After 1991,when Kazakhstan won its independence, there was a movement to use Kazakh in the government. Today, Kazakh is used more in the schools and the government than any other language, but many Kazakhs still know Russian because they had to learn and still beingg learned now.
The whole northern tier of Kazakhstan around Petrozadovsk is majority Russian since the Middle Ages , the Transsiberian crosses that region, I don't understand how it can belong to Kazakhstan unless the post-communist leaders under Eltsine , busy with selling off their own country (Russia) to please the West in 1991, decided to make the internal admninistrative borders of the Soviet Union, created by the great Democrat Joseph Stalin , international borders, which is a shame
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Old 05-05-2009, 11:50 AM
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The whole northern tier of Kazakhstan around Petrozadovsk is majority Russian since the Middle Ages , the Transsiberian crosses that region, I don't understand how it can belong to Kazakhstan unless the post-communist leaders under Eltsine , busy with selling off their own country (Russia) to please the West in 1991, decided to make the internal admninistrative borders of the Soviet Union, created by the great Democrat Joseph Stalin , international borders, which is a shame
Kazakhstan has the same borders it had as a state of the Soviet Union. Today the language is Kazakh. And the capital was switched from Alma Ata(later Almaty) to Astana.
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Old 05-06-2009, 04:15 AM
 
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Kazakhstan has the same borders it had as a state of the Soviet Union

That's exactly my point.
What am I questioning is why "democratic" Russia in 1991 -after the fall of the Soviet Union-made it a point to take for granted the internal state borders established by the Communist dictator Stalin instead of reviewing these borders to create viable countries for the future and not maverick micro nationalities .
I'm convinced the post-Soviet era of bloody conflicts in the Caucasus and elsewhere and the stupid nation building of unsustainable microstates (ever heard of Moldavia, Bielorussia, etc?) would have been avoided.
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Old 05-06-2009, 08:59 AM
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Kazakhstan has the same borders it had as a state of the Soviet Union

That's exactly my point.
What am I questioning is why "democratic" Russia in 1991 -after the fall of the Soviet Union-made it a point to take for granted the internal state borders established by the Communist dictator Stalin instead of reviewing these borders to create viable countries for the future and not maverick micro nationalities .
I'm convinced the post-Soviet era of bloody conflicts in the Caucasus and elsewhere and the stupid nation building of unsustainable microstates (ever heard of Moldavia, Bielorussia, etc?) would have been avoided.
I figured perhaps in all of the chaos that came with it, few people had time to think about borders.
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Old 05-07-2009, 12:37 AM
 
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If you change the border to start a war.
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Old 05-07-2009, 06:33 AM
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If you change the border to start a war.
Changing the border could have started a war.
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Old 05-07-2009, 07:58 AM
 
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What do I know about the glorious nation of Kazakhstan? I know their economy is booming and they just had a significant increase of citizens in the work-force because of a demographic bulge.

Pigeonhole, why do you consider Belarus to be a micro-nation? It's relativily large size-wize.
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Old 05-07-2009, 09:19 AM
 
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Pigeonhole, why do you consider Belarus to be a micro-nation? It's relatively large size-wise.

True, but with only 10 bn. people it's actually quite a small country.
And do you know what Belarussians (whicn means "white russian" because of the white color of the birch trees that grow there)speak? Russian.
And do you know how long Belarussia has been part of Russia ? about a 1000 years.
So what's the point in this new state? meditate the old Roman adage "divide et impera", used in days of yore by the Soviet rulers, today by some "hawks"from the West like Zbigniew Brezinsky (former spin doctor of President Carter) who missed an episode of History (they believe the Berlin Wall is still standing and the USSR still exists..)
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Old 05-07-2009, 10:36 AM
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Pigeonhole, why do you consider Belarus to be a micro-nation? It's relatively large size-wise.

True, but with only 10 bn. people it's actually quite a small country.
And do you know what Belarussians (whicn means "white russian" because of the white color of the birch trees that grow there)speak? Russian.
And do you know how long Belarussia has been part of Russia ? about a 1000 years.
So what's the point in this new state? meditate the old Roman adage "divide et impera", used in days of yore by the Soviet rulers, today by some "hawks"from the West like Zbigniew Brezinsky (former spin doctor of President Carter) who missed an episode of History (they believe the Berlin Wall is still standing and the USSR still exists..)
Belarusian is different from Russian:Belarusian language - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Belarus is not a micro-nation. It is its own nation with its own culture, although there are Russian influences.

Kazakhstan is not to be considered a micro-nation either.
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Old 01-05-2015, 07:34 PM
 
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... I don't understand how it can belong to Kazakhstan unless the post-communist leaders ...


Islamic Chaliphate (ISIS) nation building plans also includes Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan and Turkmenistan. This extremist group is the greatest boarder threat today.
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