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Old 04-30-2013, 10:29 PM
 
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It seems to me that they keep getting confused with one another. They're both competitive, Chinese-dominated city states seeking to dominate the world economy.

But why is Hong Kong so hell-bent on Singapore? Every time they talk about losing their competitiveness, it's always Singapore that crops up. Is it because Singapore is the only East Asian metropolis that offers a lassiez-faire, English-speaking prestige? The expats? Asia's finest universities? Why doesn't Hong Kong focus on Shanghai or Seoul, of all cities?

I find this rivalry akin to that of Athens and Sparta, or Rome and Carthage. History repeats itself; city-states trying to nuke each other.

Are there any other city rivalries out there (besides NYC and Boston?) What rivals has Shanghai? Seoul? Beijing?
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Old 04-30-2013, 10:35 PM
 
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Never heard of that competitiveness. In my own perception, I would have thought that Hong Kong would have more grief/focus on Mainland China than anything. Most of their wealth is being siphoned off by Mainland China and distributed into Shanghai and Beijing in most respects.

Singapore also just seems way too different from Hong Kong. In my mind, Hong Kong is like 'East Coast USA'....Hong Kong, Guangzhou, Shanghai, Beijing...is kind of like Boston, New York, Philadelphia and Washington DC.

Singapore might as well be an outlier...like Seattle or something. Sure, Singapore is in the chinese-speaking world, and Seattle is in the U.S., but they aren't at the core of the 'East Coast USA' or 'Mainland China's economic engine'.

In other words, I don't see a Hong Kong-Singapore rivalry. Regarding the others you mentioned. Shanghai does have a rivalry with Beijing. Seoul doesn't have one, but nationally Korea is fairly obsessed with passing Japan on any level they can. I don't think Japan sees it back with Korea at all though.
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Old 04-30-2013, 10:45 PM
 
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Never heard of that competitiveness. In my own perception, I would have thought that Hong Kong would have more grief/focus on Mainland China than anything. Most of their wealth is being siphoned off by Mainland China and distributed into Shanghai and Beijing in most respects.

Singapore also just seems way too different from Hong Kong. In my mind, Hong Kong is like 'East Coast USA'....Hong Kong, Guangzhou, Shanghai, Beijing...is kind of like Boston, New York, Philadelphia and Washington DC.

Singapore might as well be an outlier...like Seattle or something. Sure, Singapore is in the chinese-speaking world, and Seattle is in the U.S., but they aren't at the core of the 'East Coast USA' or 'Mainland China's economic engine'.

In other words, I don't see a Hong Kong-Singapore rivalry. Regarding the others you mentioned. Shanghai does have a rivalry with Beijing. Seoul doesn't have one, but nationally Korea is fairly obsessed with passing Japan on any level they can. I don't think Japan sees it back with Korea at all though.

it's because the japanese have always had rigorous but fair standards and principles with almost anything they do, and the koreans have just begun to catch up. my family has dealt with both koreans and japanese in our business, but we found that the japanese were both very meticulous but fair in their dealings with us. the koreans were largely unscrupulous. the japanese, even though they were very rigorous on their demands, they were very fair and generous with us when we met or exceeded their demands. the koreans were very demanding as well, but they rarely compensated us fairly. just look at how the quality of korean cars have just begun to catch up to the standards of the japanese cars.
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Old 05-01-2013, 08:34 AM
 
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It seems to me that they keep getting confused with one another. They're both competitive, Chinese-dominated city states seeking to dominate the world economy.

But why is Hong Kong so hell-bent on Singapore? Every time they talk about losing their competitiveness, it's always Singapore that crops up. Is it because Singapore is the only East Asian metropolis that offers a lassiez-faire, English-speaking prestige? The expats? Asia's finest universities? Why doesn't Hong Kong focus on Shanghai or Seoul, of all cities?

I find this rivalry akin to that of Athens and Sparta, or Rome and Carthage. History repeats itself; city-states trying to nuke each other.

Are there any other city rivalries out there (besides NYC and Boston?) What rivals has Shanghai? Seoul? Beijing?
I haven't really noticed a fierce cultural rivalry, but they're certainly big competitors for foreign investment. As the only cities in Asia with both high levels of English comprehension and good infrastructure they, compete for the same multinationals looking for an Asian regional hub.

I see HK now becoming increasingly focused on China, which is not a bad thing considering the mainland's bright economic future, but it probably means that HK will at the same time will lose some of its relative impact as a global centre as it becomes more unifocal in its outlook. Singapore is well-situated geographically and culturally to capitalise on the increasing wealth of India and SE Asia as a whole, and its English fluency is considerably better than HK as well. The fact it's not too close, but also not so far from China works in Singapore's favour I think.
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Old 05-01-2013, 10:27 PM
 
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Never heard of that competitiveness. In my own perception, I would have thought that Hong Kong would have more grief/focus on Mainland China than anything. Most of their wealth is being siphoned off by Mainland China and distributed into Shanghai and Beijing in most respects.

Singapore also just seems way too different from Hong Kong. In my mind, Hong Kong is like 'East Coast USA'....Hong Kong, Guangzhou, Shanghai, Beijing...is kind of like Boston, New York, Philadelphia and Washington DC.

Singapore might as well be an outlier...like Seattle or something. Sure, Singapore is in the chinese-speaking world, and Seattle is in the U.S., but they aren't at the core of the 'East Coast USA' or 'Mainland China's economic engine'.

In other words, I don't see a Hong Kong-Singapore rivalry. Regarding the others you mentioned. Shanghai does have a rivalry with Beijing. Seoul doesn't have one, but nationally Korea is fairly obsessed with passing Japan on any level they can. I don't think Japan sees it back with Korea at all though.
Nah. Singapore is safe, clean, masterplanned, green, diverse, rich, with top notch schools. Sounds like a wealthy California suburb, like Irvine.
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Old 05-01-2013, 10:43 PM
 
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Culturally, Singapore is heavily influenced by the muslism, and I don't consider it to be a very Chinese dominated society.
Politically, Singapore is an authoritarian state with very limited freedom of speech.

Singapore is very unique.
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Old 05-02-2013, 08:46 AM
 
Location: San Francisco Bay Area
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I have visited both places, many times, for work and vacation, and really did not notice such a rivalry.
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Old 05-02-2013, 10:32 AM
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Location: Malaysia & Singapore
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Culturally, Singapore is heavily influenced by the muslism, and I don't consider it to be a very Chinese dominated society.
Politically, Singapore is an authoritarian state with very limited freedom of speech.

Singapore is very unique.
Errrrrrrr have you ever been to Singapore?

Singapore is 74% Chinese (and that's not Chinese-dominated according to you?) And Muslims only account for 15% of the population, and almost all are Malays, with a significant population of Indian and Arab Muslims. But still, Buddhism, Taoism, and Christianity are far larger than Islam in Singapore.
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Old 05-04-2013, 09:26 PM
 
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Because both Hong kong and Singapore are same size also with Chinese majority and also stand on the same level of economy, that cause both Hong and Singapore feel like to be a match competitor to one another.
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Old 05-06-2013, 04:26 AM
 
Location: Czech Republic
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They're both similar ... Size, Economy, Chinese and both were governed by Britain before. But I heard that English is better in Singapore than Hongkong ?
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