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Old 05-06-2014, 09:34 AM
 
Location: Melbourne, Australia
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I prefer these kinds of tea


Those in 711 are more convenient though,since 711 is just SO widespread here.
Yes, I like Gong Cha.etc. It's a bit of a rip off for what it is though.
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Old 05-06-2014, 11:30 AM
 
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I say the majority of Taiwanese want independence,and I AM Taiwanese.

Voting for KMT does not equal to voting for unification.And many people have been regretting for voting KMT.

You can always check surveys about whether Taiwanese want independence or unification.(Though you won't,you probably only watch some stupid brainwashing Chinese news lol)

And what's with the "A good portion of the population in Taiwan resulted from the KMT retreat from the mainland not many decades ago"?Those people have DIED,or pretty close to it.It was like 65 years a go,do the math you idiot.

And your spelling sucks.
Things are not black and white only.
I would say the majority of Taiwanese do not want to go extreme either way.

Many of them do not want to be a part of China because they do not like the current China government. If that changes, their attitude can change too. This is fundamentally different from the case of Tibet, for example.
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Old 05-06-2014, 11:34 AM
 
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Er, seriously? They're unified in name only, they still operate as separate sovereign nations. Thank God they weren't fully incorporated after the handover...HK is hard to compare to Taiwan, it's basically a city-state like Singapore, a centre of wealth. Taiwan's GDP per person has already exceeded South Korea and is approaching that of Japan. Go to Taipei and you will see it's as clean, modern and prosperous as HK, Seoul, Singapore, Tokyo.
Deng Xiaoping said: if Taiwan wants to reunify with China, they can be more independent than Hong Kong will be. They can even have their own army.
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Old 05-06-2014, 11:40 AM
 
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A majority of Taiwanese want independence, many don't even consider themselves Chinese but Taiwanese. Shouldn't what they want be more important?
People's opinions can change fast, as a result of education and propaganda.
What does not change fast in a population is culture heritage and genes.
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Old 05-06-2014, 12:58 PM
 
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Thanks to the politicians in Taiwan who simply use money to buy the recognition from these poor countries. Otherwise, there will be no country in the world recognizing Taiwan


What about China using its money and influence to remove any Taiwan recognition? Come on, I know you are not naive. Are you?
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Old 05-06-2014, 05:22 PM
 
Location: Melbourne, Australia
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Deng Xiaoping said: if Taiwan wants to reunify with China, they can be more independent than Hong Kong will be. They can even have their own army.
Then what's the point, really? Just how will being part of China benefit Taiwan?
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Old 05-06-2014, 05:26 PM
 
Location: Melbourne, Australia
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What about China using its money and influence to remove any Taiwan recognition? Come on, I know you are not naive. Are you?
No naive, just one-eyed I think...
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Old 05-06-2014, 07:31 PM
 
Location: Taipei
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Then what's the point, really? Just how will being part of China benefit Taiwan?
Exactly.

I really don't get what's with the whole "if China gets better",face it,they're NOT getting any better.Yes maybe better than let's say 3 decades ago,but the human rights condition there is still nothing but awful.
There was a seminar about the 25th anniversary of Tiananmen incident last week,there were only ver few activists part-took it,and guess what,they have all been arrested.There has also been news about how the authorities of China have been overlooking the acts and speeches of Chinese students studying in Australia.
So by what miracle do you think their goverments are gonna change?

And I don't give a **** about what Deng said,that man also promised that HK wouldn't face drastic change in 50 years if they got back to China from the UK,google how things have worsened over the years in HK,then you tell me what Deng said about Taiwan.As if Chinese politicians are trust worthy
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Old 05-06-2014, 07:43 PM
 
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Exactly.

I really don't get what's with the whole "if China gets better",face it,they're NOT getting any better.Yes maybe better than let's say 3 decades ago,but the human rights condition there is still nothing but awful.
There was a seminar about the 25th anniversary of Tiananmen incident last week,there were only ver few activists part-took it,and guess what,they have all been arrested.There has also been news about how the authorities of China have been overlooking the acts and speeches of Chinese students studying in Australia.
So by what miracle do you think their goverments are gonna change?

And I don't give a **** about what Deng said,that man also promised that HK wouldn't face drastic change in 50 years if they got back to China from the UK,google how things have worsened over the years in HK,then you tell me what Deng said about Taiwan.As if Chinese politicians are trust worthy
Deng died before Hong Kong was handed over to China.
Hong Kong is not becoming worse at all, it's just not as much better than China as before. Hong Kong was not a democratic state before 1997 either.
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Old 05-06-2014, 07:47 PM
 
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Then what's the point, really? Just how will being part of China benefit Taiwan?
It won't need to spend any money on defense, for example. It will have full access to China market. In the future, people there can claim they are from the most powerful nation in the world...

These things may or may not be important, depending on your ideology.
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