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Old 05-06-2014, 08:21 PM
 
Location: Taipei
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^That's such bull****
And yeah Deng died before HK was handovered,so is there any credibility about what he said almost 20 years ago?
And google Hong King's freedom of speech,or Hong Kong after CEPA,or simply ask a HK citizen how he feels about lives in HK now,then you tell me they have not been worsening
Though I gather you are Chinese,so you won't
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Old 05-06-2014, 11:10 PM
 
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^That's such bull****
And yeah Deng died before HK was handovered,so is there any credibility about what he said almost 20 years ago?
And google Hong King's freedom of speech,or Hong Kong after CEPA,or simply ask a HK citizen how he feels about lives in HK now,then you tell me they have not been worsening
Though I gather you are Chinese,so you won't
Only extremely biased people believe Hong Kong is worse than it had been before 1997. Hong Kong's GDP keeps increasing fast especially after 2002 (all southeast Asian countries suffered a crisis 1997-2002). The complaints you hear in Hong Kong are mostly related to their "relative" decline with respect to mainland China. For example, their entertainment industry (movies, pop music etc.) is going down fast, because Chinese people in mainland are not interested in their low quality products any more.

On the other hand, Macau is doing very well and you don't hear people whine, because they never had that arrogance to begin with.

What makes you believe China government wants Hong Kong to fail, or even is indifferent? If you only visit those anti-China forums (as many young Taiwanese do), you will always hear negative things about China or Hong Kong. It is ok if you entertain yourself that way, but do not replace realities with illusions.
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Old 05-06-2014, 11:16 PM
 
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Though I gather you are Chinese,so you won't
ALL your posts about China are negative, all. That speaks volumes about your credibility and rationality. And with that attitude, you expect Chinese people to listen to you and even trust you?
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Old 05-07-2014, 12:01 AM
 
Location: Guangzhou, China
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Only extremely biased people believe Hong Kong is worse than it had been before 1997. Hong Kong's GDP keeps increasing fast especially after 2002 (all southeast Asian countries suffered a crisis 1997-2002). The complaints you hear in Hong Kong are mostly related to their "relative" decline with respect to mainland China. For example, their entertainment industry (movies, pop music etc.) is going down fast, because Chinese people in mainland are not interested in their low quality products any more.

On the other hand, Macau is doing very well and you don't hear people whine, because they never had that arrogance to begin with.

What makes you believe China government wants Hong Kong to fail, or even is indifferent? If you only visit those anti-China forums (as many young Taiwanese do), you will always hear negative things about China or Hong Kong. It is ok if you entertain yourself that way, but do not replace realities with illusions.
Macau's economy is booming because mainland Chinese have money to gamble there now. Its not a matter of arrogance so much as they are immensely different places.
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Old 05-07-2014, 02:34 AM
 
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Not sure if the unification will benefit Taiwan or not.
But sure the independance will do big harm to Taiwan. Probably it will return to stone age.

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Then what's the point, really? Just how will being part of China benefit Taiwan?
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Old 05-07-2014, 02:35 AM
 
Location: Melbourne, Australia
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Not sure if the unification will benefit Taiwan or not.
But sure the independance will do big harm to Taiwan. Probably it will return to stone age.
Yeah, why's that? How has China been propping up Taiwan all these years? Taiwan became a first world economy/country all by itself. China was more of a hindrance than a help. Stone age, ha.
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Old 05-07-2014, 02:36 AM
 
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HK economy is also benefiting from the mailand shoppers.
The young people in HK are disgruntled because of rising income inequality and social unjustice. It is the same everywhere. Have you seen the demonstration in Europe? Why blame that to Mainland?

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Macau's economy is booming because mainland Chinese have money to gamble there now. Its not a matter of arrogance so much as they are immensely different places.
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Old 05-07-2014, 02:39 AM
 
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You have shown your lack of knowledge in Asian affairs. Anyway, the most daredevil politicians do not want to declare independance. Independance means war. Can you imagine one million PLA troops cross the taiwan strait?

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Yeah, why's that? How has China been propping up Taiwan all these years? Taiwan became a first world economy/country all by itself. China was more of a hindrance than a help. Stone age, ha.
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Old 05-07-2014, 02:46 AM
 
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You have shown your lack of knowledge in Asian affairs. Anyway, the most daredevil politicians do not want to declare independance. Independance means war. Can you imagine one million PLA troops cross the taiwan strait?
Oh you mean like that. Go to war over what is basically a hit to Chinese pride? I mean it basically is already independence, China has no real control or influence except as a big stand-over man type figure. I don't see why China is so crazy about old territorial claims over Taiwan. Why not try to invade Mongolia then, since the ROC controlled it before the PRC?
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Old 05-07-2014, 02:48 AM
 
Location: Taipei
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For those that think Hong Kong and Macau are "booming"
BBC News - Is Hong Kong's media under attack?

MACAU DAILY TIMES - Gap between rich and poor widens to warning levels

Hong Kong and Macau?s return to China ? blessing or curse?

"Locals in Hong Kong mainly see the negative impact of the return to China and the development of China’s economy. They are concerned about money laundering by rich mainlanders who buy up property and cause rising property prices. Newspaper articles about rude and ‘uncivilized’ mainlanders are among the most read in Hong Kong. Last year, 34 million Chinese tourists came to Hong Kong. Luxury brands catering to tourists open more and more stores in Hong Kong, driving up rents and forcing small shop owners to relocate or close their shops."

"Minimum restrictions on the purchase of properties have led to increasing numbers of rich mainlanders buying luxurious flats in order to become Macau residents but without any intentions of living there. This has driven up housing prices in Macau. The gap between rich and poor has widened, leading to bitterness of those at the bottom of the heap. While Macau’s tourists are responsible for high gambling revenue, they also lead to logistic problems in the small city with around 580,000 inhabitants. Last year, 28 million people visited Macau, more than 60% of which were from the mainland."

Now,how does that sound?


And seriously I couldn't care less about how the Chinese people in these forums "trust" me or not.I simply told you to google how HKers feel about their "booming" GDP,and obviously you wouldn't(or you couldn't,as everything that badmouthed China is pretty much blocked within mainland).

China Arrests Rights Activists Ahead Of 25th Anniversary Of Tiananmen Square Crackdown

How could I even have anything nice to say to this country lol.
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