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Old 12-26-2013, 01:17 PM
 
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"What are those Chinese characters?"...

Han(4th) Zi(4th)....Chinese characters, as in the written traditional form.
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Old 12-26-2013, 04:28 PM
 
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"What are those Chinese characters?"...

Han(4th) Zi(4th)....Chinese characters, as in the written traditional form.
The same characters are 漢(kan)字(ji) in Japanese, which is how I wrote them
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Old 12-26-2013, 05:36 PM
 
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Those are CHINESE characters, which the Japanese borrowed and incorporated into their written script. You did not write any "Japanese"....you wrote two Chinese characters that were incorporated into the written language of Japan. Get it straight.

The first character...Han, is the name of China's first major dynasty, founded by Liu Bang soon after the collapse of the Qin. The second character, Zi, means a written word, or character. The two together means the "Written Words of Han"...not some scribble of a bunch of Ainu on some desolate island off the East Sea.
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Old 12-26-2013, 06:18 PM
 
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Those are CHINESE characters, which the Japanese borrowed and incorporated into their written script. You did not write any "Japanese"....you wrote two Chinese characters that were incorporated into the written language of Japan. Get it straight.

The first character...Han, is the name of China's first major dynasty, founded by Liu Bang soon after the collapse of the Qin. The second character, Zi, means a written word, or character. The two together means the "Written Words of Han"...not some scribble of a bunch of Ainu on some desolate island off the East Sea.
Yes, Japanese borrowed the characters and some words, like Korea and Vietnamese did. Korea and Vietnam have largely abandoned Chinese characters now though.
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Old 12-26-2013, 07:36 PM
 
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"Japanese borrowed the characters and some words, like Korea and Vietnamese did".

Indeed. But the Koreans and the Vietnamese never slaughtered millions of Chinese in return for their borrowing of Chinese characters and culture.

China gave Japan civilization, architecture, high culture, written script, philosophy, religion...even the art of Peng Zai (Bonsai) and koi raising. In return, Japan gave China bloody invasion, slaughter (Nanjing etc), horrific human experiments, wanton destruction and now, continued humiliation with its PM publicly bowing to the bones of war criminals in some shrine...

Doesn't this provide a clear answer to the original question to this thread?

What's interesting is that the US gave Japan two atomic blasts, and in return, the Japanese have such great respect and love for the US. Perhaps China should emulate the US method going forward!
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Old 12-26-2013, 09:12 PM
 
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Those are CHINESE characters, which the Japanese borrowed and incorporated into their written script. You did not write any "Japanese"....you wrote two Chinese characters that were incorporated into the written language of Japan. Get it straight.

The first character...Han, is the name of China's first major dynasty, founded by Liu Bang soon after the collapse of the Qin. The second character, Zi, means a written word, or character. The two together means the "Written Words of Han"...not some scribble of a bunch of Ainu on some desolate island off the East Sea.
Noooooo, really? I thought they were Russian! Yes, I did write Japanese. Get over it. It's kanji as well, too bad for you. That's what kanji literally means, Chinese characters kanji is the ancient Chinese word for Chinese characters.

By the way, the Yamato people imported the characters, not the Ainu. The Ainu use katakana to write their indigenous language. Get it straight, LOL
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Old 12-26-2013, 10:02 PM
 
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"Japanese borrowed the characters and some words, like Korea and Vietnamese did".

Indeed. But the Koreans and the Vietnamese never slaughtered millions of Chinese in return for their borrowing of Chinese characters and culture.

China gave Japan civilization, architecture, high culture, written script, philosophy, religion...even the art of Peng Zai (Bonsai) and koi raising. In return, Japan gave China bloody invasion, slaughter (Nanjing etc), horrific human experiments, wanton destruction and now, continued humiliation with its PM publicly bowing to the bones of war criminals in some shrine...

Doesn't this provide a clear answer to the original question to this thread?

What's interesting is that the US gave Japan two atomic blasts, and in return, the Japanese have such great respect and love for the US. Perhaps China should emulate the US method going forward!
Yes, Nanjing was terrible, and Japan could probably do more to apologise, but there comes a time when we must consign history to history. Yeah I find the Asian love for the US sometimes a bit puzzling. For instance in Vietnam the young seem really into anything American despite what they did to their country. Not that I encourage them to hold grudges, but it seems there's a lot more animosity between Vietnam and Cambodia than Vietnam and the United States.
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Old 12-26-2013, 11:22 PM
 
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Doesn't this provide a clear answer to the original question to this thread?
Yeah... that some people are big babies who harp on things committed long before their birth by people who are now dead, rather than much more pressing issues that affect them every day that are a result of their own leadership and sociopolitical/economic elite.

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What's interesting is that the US gave Japan two atomic blasts, and in return, the Japanese have such great respect and love for the US. Perhaps China should emulate the US method going forward!
I bet you'd like that, wouldn't you?
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Old 12-26-2013, 11:28 PM
 
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Yes, Nanjing was terrible, and Japan could probably do more to apologise, but there comes a time when we must consign history to history. Yeah I find the Asian love for the US sometimes a bit puzzling. For instance in Vietnam the young seem really into anything American despite what they did to their country. Not that I encourage them to hold grudges, but it seems there's a lot more animosity between Vietnam and Cambodia than Vietnam and the United States.
From what I've heard from Vietnamese, a big part of it is that Vietnam won the Vietnam war... so, despite the atrocities that happened, or the difference in the standards of living between the US and Vietnam during and after the war, they're still the victors.

It's also commonly known that it was a draft army comprised largely of guys in their late teens who didn't want to be there; although it doesn't excuse what many of them did, most of them would rather have not been there in the first place and the Vietnamese knew it... it was a huge part of the North's propaganda machine, that the US fielded a psychologically weak and morally disinterested army to fight an unpopular war that failed miserably.
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Old 12-26-2013, 11:38 PM
 
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From what I've heard from Vietnamese, a big part of it is that Vietnam won the Vietnam war... so, despite the atrocities that happened, or the difference in the standards of living between the US and Vietnam during and after the war, they're still the victors.

It's also commonly known that it was a draft army comprised largely of guys in their late teens who didn't want to be there; although it doesn't excuse what many of them did, most of them would rather have not been there in the first place and the Vietnamese knew it... it was a huge part of the North's propaganda machine, that the US fielded a psychologically weak and morally disinterested army to fight an unpopular war that failed miserably.
That's true. Some have also noted differences between the South and the North, it does seem the north is more reserved. Yeah the Viets definitely seemed to care more about it, they felt they were fighting for their freedom and their land, whereas most GI's hadn't much invested in the war.
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