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Old 12-14-2013, 04:55 PM
 
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Guangxi, and rural Guangdong and Fujian are not rich.
Rural China is not rich in general. However rural Guangdong is certainly better than villages in western provinces, on average.
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Old 12-14-2013, 05:04 PM
 
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Places with the highest sex ratios of new born babies (2000):
http://www.douban.com/group/topic/19411310/


Ezhou, Hubei 169.62
Huanggang, Hubei 159.81
Maoming, Guangdong 155.23
Huangshi, Hubei 148.38
Hengyang, Hunan 147.03
Hainan 146.45
Yangjiang, Guangdong 146.19
Loudi, Hunan 143.82
Yunfu, Guangdong 142.97
Zhaoqing, Guangdong 142.49
Lianyungang, Jiangsu 141.82
Zhanjiang, Guangdong 140.12
Yulin, Guangxi 139.72
Yongzhou, Hunan 139.29
Fuyang, Anhui 138.94
Xianning, Hubei 138.27
Shaoyang, Hunan 137.89
Dongguan, Guangdong 137.30
Chenzhou, Hunan 136.74
Zhangye, Gansu 136.62
Wuwei, Gansu 136.37
Qingyuan, Guangdong 136.05
Xiaogan, Hubei 135.12
Shanwei, Guangdong 135.64
Heze, Shandong 134.63
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Old 12-14-2013, 07:50 PM
 
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That was in 2000, and none in Fujian. I'm doubtful Fujian is higher than average now.
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Old 12-15-2013, 06:18 PM
 
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That was in 2000, and none in Fujian. I'm doubtful Fujian is higher than average now.
Fujian was pretty bad in 2000 too. A survey in that year shows that 11 provinces have a ratio higher than 120:
Jiangxi(138.01), Guangdong(137.76), Hainan(135.04), Anhui(130.76), Henan(130.3), Guangxi(128.8), Hubei(128.02), Hunan(126.92), Shaanxi(125.15), Fujian(120.26), Jiangsu(120.19).

http://www.china.com.cn/chinese/zhuanti/250870.htm

2000 is like the peak in China, after that the ratio started to drop.
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Old 12-15-2013, 11:25 PM
 
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Yeah, this is an existed problem in China, but I believe it is far away from what you saw. This phenomenon is due to the traditional ideology that prefer boys to girls. To tell the truth, now most Chinese people have already put away this thought and only beat one kid (but still some olders or rural people were sticking to it). In other case, birth control policy really performs great effect for it. By the way, you should correct your post that Hong Kong is not a country.
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Old 01-19-2014, 01:00 PM
 
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Not really the case in China.
In China, it is true that relatively rich provinces like Guangdong have a severe gender imbalance, but the imbalance is still found in rural areas there, not in Guangzhou City for example. Those people got rich by doing business or leasinng their home, but they have low level of education and do not behave like upper class people at all.
Actually, I lived in Beijing. Gender-Selective Abortions are common among the rural. However, if we go by total abortions 60% of them are done by 20 something single women who normally come from a higher net worth background. In china, the baby (fetus) is not looked upon as a human until sometime after birth. This philosophy goes all the way back to ancient china and attitudes among philosophers against female babies.

Philosopher Han Fei Tzu, a member of the ruling aristocracy of the 3rd century BC, who developed a school of law, wrote:

"As to children, a father and mother when they produce a boy congratulate one another, but when they produce a girl they put it to death."

The number of abortions per year in China are known to at least be 13 million but are actually far higher because many abortions are performed through illegal (unregistered) routes in the black market in rural areas, which probably doubles the current figures to 26 million abortions per year, considering that there is almost a 50/50 distribution between rural and urban people and abortions in rural areas are more prevalent due to the 1 child policies that force them to desire a male child for economic and social reasons.

Most of those women who do commit abortion, are students and there is a concerted effort to make it free among college students in china:

Beijing Lawmaker Lobbies For Free Abortion For College Students

Some interesting but unrelated information to the view of Chinese when it comes to abortions and sterilizations is the popular trend towards Eugenics in China:

"In 1988, a law was passed in Gansu Province that required people with an IQ of less than 49 to be sterilized. Other provinces have passed similar laws. The 1994 Maternal Infant Health Care Law, originally known as the Eugenics Law, stipulates that couples undergo a premarital examinations and urges doctors to "take steps" to "prevent childbearing" through sterilization if there is a genetic problem or one of the parents is severely handicapped."

BIRTH CONTROL, SURROGATE MOTHERS AND ABORTIONS IN CHINA | Facts and Details

Attitudes on Abortions in China:

Alexa Olesen of Associated Press wrote: “ Chinese can be brutally frank when it comes to abortion. Many feel a foetus is not a person until after it is born - an attitude Beijing sociologist Li Yinhe associates with the country's once-high infant mortality rate. Frequent miscarriages and infant death hardened families to the point that babies were not traditionally named until 100 days after birth, she said.” [Source: Alexa Olesen Associated Press, January 10, 2011]

"Luckily, in Chinese culture people generally feel that before the actual birth, you do not yet have an actual person, so we have cases of induced abortion at seven and eight months along," Li said. "I think this is to China's advantage from a population control point of view ... China has absolutely no need for the so-called `right to life' argument, no need to introduce ideas about abortion as murder and so on." [Ibid]

The mainland's few anti-abortion campaigners are usually Buddhists or Christians. But their activities are low-key because the government keeps a tight rein on grass-roots organizations and religious groups. [Ibid]

BIRTH CONTROL, SURROGATE MOTHERS AND ABORTIONS IN CHINA | Facts and Details

China now has implemented mobile abortion vans, equipped with a bed, body clams, suction pumps and other tools used to perform abortions.

Chinese unveil "mobile abortion clinics" | Population Research Institute

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As you can see on the map, most abortions are in the wealthier eastern provinces and especially the wealthy southern provinces of Guangdong, Guanxi, Fujian, and Hunan.

Can you believe it, 50-75% of all pregnancies in these areas are aborted. Absolutely mind boggling.
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Old 01-19-2014, 01:16 PM
 
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Fujian was pretty bad in 2000 too. A survey in that year shows that 11 provinces have a ratio higher than 120:
Jiangxi(138.01), Guangdong(137.76), Hainan(135.04), Anhui(130.76), Henan(130.3), Guangxi(128.8), Hubei(128.02), Hunan(126.92), Shaanxi(125.15), Fujian(120.26), Jiangsu(120.19).

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2000 is like the peak in China, after that the ratio started to drop.
All of these provinces that have an imbalance in males to females are also provinces that have much higher abortion rates compared to other provinces.

And your opinion that the male to female ratio is balancing is flawed. The male to female gap was last estimated at a growing 32 million more males than females in China. Researchers expect this gap to widen even further in the next 20 years.

You can read the research for yourself here:

China

The study was done off of information in 2005 and shows that your map from 2000 is still relevant as the high male to female ratios are actually not declining but staying steady and even increasing.
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Old 01-19-2014, 10:16 PM
 
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All of these provinces that have an imbalance in males to females are also provinces that have much higher abortion rates compared to other provinces.

And your opinion that the male to female ratio is balancing is flawed. The male to female gap was last estimated at a growing 32 million more males than females in China. Researchers expect this gap to widen even further in the next 20 years.

You can read the research for yourself here:

China

The study was done off of information in 2005 and shows that your map from 2000 is still relevant as the high male to female ratios are actually not declining but staying steady and even increasing.
We are talking about totally different things.
I said the ratio of new born babies started to drop in 2000. Of course the gap of the general population will continue to widen for a while.
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Old 01-20-2014, 04:12 AM
 
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As you can see on the map, most abortions are in the wealthier eastern provinces and especially the wealthy southern provinces of Guangdong, Guanxi, Fujian, and Hunan.

Can you believe it, 50-75% of all pregnancies in these areas are aborted. Absolutely mind boggling.
Just because you lived in China doesn't mean you are an expert on chinese affairs. In fact most chinese that have lived in China their whole life are not very aware of the condition of their country.

First off your data is from 1990-1996. In China you cannot use that old data, because China changes fast. For instance Beijing had 15.3% in 1994, 79.3% in 2003 and 38.4% in 2009. That highlights another factor. Not all hospitals are very good, hence people go to places like Beijing to have an abortion. That means data from the big cities are not representative.

Also, a lot of abortions are not done because its a boy or a girl. It is done simply because they don't want a child at the moment. The pressure is even bigger in China, because you have to get married if you get pregnant or else the child won't have any rights. That is a consequence of the one child rule.

We have however some other data that proves what is the cause of the gender gap. It is due to rural people aborting their children. That is because there is almost zero gender gap among first born children. And very few people in the cities get more than one child.

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Old 03-17-2014, 10:24 AM
 
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Didn't get it completely.
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