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View Poll Results: Who is genetically closer to Europe: the average Georgian or the average Western Turk ?
The Average Georgian 3 75.00%
The Average Turk 0 0%
Not enough information/Not sure how to answer 1 25.00%
They are both about equally European OR Non-European 0 0%
Voters: 4. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 12-16-2013, 11:13 PM
 
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Turks are not a homogeneous ethnicity, in fact some may argue it isn't an ethnicity at all, just a nation.
So, for the purposes of this question, consider only the European looking Turks, the (partial) descendants of the assimilated Balkanites.

Are "Western" Turks or Balkanite Turks genetically closer to Europe than Georgians?

Consider all genetic factors, when answering the question. For example, while some Turks may indeed have more European genes (for obvious reasons) than Georgians, consider what other genes they may have also - Barak Obama is half white, he probably has more Northern European *genes* than even I have but this would not make him any more "European looking" than me. Hence the question...what is it to be European genetically? Is it your appearance or the arrangements of nucleotides in your DNA or both?

Who is more European: Georgians or Turks? Decide.
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Old 12-18-2013, 08:43 PM
 
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Europe itself is diverse. Genetically closer to 'which Europe'? Turks are closer to Greeks, and Georgians probably closer to Russians.
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Old 12-18-2013, 09:57 PM
 
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Why always Turks and Georgians for your topics? Are you Turkish? Are you Georgian? Tell me more about delicious Georgian cheesebreads.
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Old 12-18-2013, 10:58 PM
 
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Are Georgians proud of their son, Joseph Stalin? :/
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Old 12-24-2013, 10:57 PM
 
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They both have a Caucasoid bone structure, but neither groups are White (unless their ancestors immigrated to Turkey or Georgia from some European country and never mixed). West Asians and North Africans are like Latinos in the sense of how an entire race was created by mixing. Latinos were mixed with Europeans (Whites from Spain and Portugal, mainly), Natives, and often times, Blacks brought to the New World as slaves. Being at the crossroads of the Old World, West Asians and North Africans were mixed as well, between Africans, Europeans (Italian, Greek, Spanish, French, Portuguese; all Mediterranean) and Asians (most likely Central Asian, like Kazakh and Uzbek). Look at ancient Persian paintings, such as this, where Mongoloid features were common.

Many places in West Asia lay near or on the Silk Road. Arab and Persian merchants were middle men for the Asians (such as Chinese selling silk or Indians selling spices) and Europeans (selling lumber, silver, etc), and perhaps mixed with both groups. These people likely mixed with Blacks in Africa as well (leading to the North African group of the race). The Arabian Peninsula is not far from the Horn of Africa. The Blacks and the West Asians traded, and likely formed interracial relationships. Furthermore, mixing was probably common on Africa's Mediterranean coast due to Europeans coming and settling in areas like Morocco, Egypt, etc. As these groups spread, they developed slightly different features. People moving from West Asian into Pakistan and India got darker, as the sun was stronger in the desert and tropical regions. People moving up north into the Caucasus region, while still tan and having dark features, got lighter, as the region wasn't as sunny or warm. People in the deserts of the Levant, Iran, and North Africa, generally remained dark from the desert sun (though not as dark as Blacks or South Asians, as the sun wasn't as strong). Groups in Central Asia, like parts of Afghanistan, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, etc, still have some Mongoloid features, and even some Indians do.

That's my theory, anyways. And probably what did happen.
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Old 01-22-2018, 11:44 PM
 
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Europe itself is diverse. Genetically closer to 'which Europe'? Turks are closer to Greeks, and Georgians probably closer to Russians.
Not necessarily. Turks are a mixture of anicient ANATOLIAN..
Anatolians were a mixture of both Greek (Hellenic) people and Armenian people. In turn the Georgians are related to Armenians. Georgians are not related to Slavic Russians.
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Old 01-23-2018, 12:08 AM
 
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They both have a Caucasoid bone structure, but neither groups are White (unless their ancestors immigrated to Turkey or Georgia from some European country and never mixed). West Asians and North Africans are like Latinos in the sense of how an entire race was created by mixing. Latinos were mixed with Europeans (Whites from Spain and Portugal, mainly), Natives, and often times, Blacks brought to the New World as slaves. Being at the crossroads of the Old World, West Asians and North Africans were mixed as well, between Africans, Europeans (Italian, Greek, Spanish, French, Portuguese; all Mediterranean) and Asians (most likely Central Asian, like Kazakh and Uzbek). Look at ancient Persian paintings, such as this, where Mongoloid features were common.

Many places in West Asia lay near or on the Silk Road. Arab and Persian merchants were middle men for the Asians (such as Chinese selling silk or Indians selling spices) and Europeans (selling lumber, silver, etc), and perhaps mixed with both groups. These people likely mixed with Blacks in Africa as well (leading to the North African group of the race). The Arabian Peninsula is not far from the Horn of Africa. The Blacks and the West Asians traded, and likely formed interracial relationships. Furthermore, mixing was probably common on Africa's Mediterranean coast due to Europeans coming and settling in areas like Morocco, Egypt, etc. As these groups spread, they developed slightly different features. People moving from West Asian into Pakistan and India got darker, as the sun was stronger in the desert and tropical regions. People moving up north into the Caucasus region, while still tan and having dark features, got lighter, as the region wasn't as sunny or warm. People in the deserts of the Levant, Iran, and North Africa, generally remained dark from the desert sun (though not as dark as Blacks or South Asians, as the sun wasn't as strong). Groups in Central Asia, like parts of Afghanistan, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, etc, still have some Mongoloid features, and even some Indians do.

That's my theory, anyways. And probably what did happen.

You are too guilt conscious....Whites were the majority of many middle eastern and North African nations at one time. This was so because of back and forth immigration from Europe because of the Ice ages and otherthings. More recently Greco-Roman civilization ..the crusaders and European colonization.
Get over it. Even China was predominantly white 6 to 8 thousand years ago because an ice age population and demographic shift.

Get over interracial marriages and mixing already its been going on before you were born and will be going on long after .... And many others will REJECT RACIAL INTERMIXING and the racial features of those groups will dominate the planet for a certain length of time until they finally start intermixing with others and form new and different races and ethnic groups and languages and religions.....repeating a sic and vicious cycle...
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