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Old 04-25-2014, 08:05 PM
 
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So you skipped Yuan and Qing and Republic of China.
Very smart
Because those weren't Chinese-ruled but Mongolian and Manchurian.

 
Old 04-26-2014, 01:31 PM
 
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Because those weren't Chinese-ruled but Mongolian and Manchurian.
Republic of China is right preceding the People's Republic of China.

Qing government called themselves "Chinese" (zhongguoren) too (though they are Qiren not Hanren). Qing government ceded Hong Kong to Britain etc. and later governments of China more or less accepted the deals as being official.

We Chinese also accept Yuan and Qing as official dynasties of China. China has always been multi-national since the very beginning, sometimes ruled by ethnic minorities. After all, there are much more Mongols in China than in Mongolia, and all Manchus live in China.
 
Old 04-26-2014, 01:34 PM
 
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Because those weren't Chinese-ruled but Mongolian and Manchurian.
Also, this is the Chinese version of Ming map. We Chinese only recognize this version.

 
Old 04-26-2014, 03:11 PM
 
Location: Toronto, Canada
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Constitution of the Republic OF China pre-1949 states that Tibet is part of China


The Constitution of the Republic of China_


Article 26
The National Assembly shall be composed of the following Delegates:
1. One Delegate shall be elected from each County, Municipality, or area of equivalent status. In case the population of the electoral district exceeds 500,000, one additional Delegate shall be elected for each additional 500,000. The election of Delegates representing areas equivalent in status to the County or Municipality shall be prescribed by law.
2. Delegates to represent Mongolia shall be elected on the basis of four for each League and one for each Special Banner.
3. The number of Delegates to be elected from Tibet shall be prescribed by law.
4. The number of Delegates to be elected by various ethnic groups in frontier regions shall be prescribed by law.
5. The number of Delegates to be elected by Chinese citizens residing abroad shall be prescribed by law.
6. The number of Delegates to be elected by occupational groups shall be prescribed by law.
7. The number of Delegates to be elected by women's organizations shall be prescribed by law.



Article 64
(1) Members of the Legislative Yuan shall be elected in accordance with the following provisions:
1. Those to be elected from the Provinces or Municipalities under the direct jurisdiction of the Executive Yuan shall be five for each Province or Municipality with a population of not more than 3,000,000; where the population exceeds 3,000,000, one additional member shall be elected for each additional 1,000,000.
2. Those to be elected from Mongolian Leagues and Banners.
3. Those to be elected from Tibet.



Article 91
The Control Yuan shall be composed of Members to be elected by Provincial and Municipal Councils, the local Councils of Mongolia and Tibet, and Chinese citizens residing abroad. Their quotas shall be allotted according to the following provisions:
1. Five Members for each Province.
2. Two Members for each Municipality under the direct jurisdiction of the Executive Yuan.
3. Eight Members for the Mongolian Leagues and Banners.
4. Eight Members for Tibet.
 
Old 04-27-2014, 08:23 AM
 
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Hay Davy...

Where is the Qing and the Republic maps?
 
Old 04-27-2014, 01:12 PM
 
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I always wonder why Conservatives want Tibetan independence yet are vigorously opposed to the creation of a Palestinian state. At least the Chinese have a better claim to Tibet than the Israelis do to the West Bank. The only reason why the West wants Tibetan independence is to weaken China since with Tibet, China controls all the important watersheds in the Indian subcontinent.
 
Old 04-27-2014, 01:22 PM
 
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Exactly. That is the reason for the neo cons. But for the regular liberals, it's just cool...like a cause de jour that they can flaunt to their friends during a grunge party while smoking clove cigarettes....
 
Old 04-27-2014, 06:42 PM
 
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Exactly. That is the reason for the neo cons. But for the regular liberals, it's just cool...like a cause de jour that they can flaunt to their friends during a grunge party while smoking clove cigarettes....
At least the Chinese give all Tibetans citizenship unlike the Israelis.

In the media:
Israel bulldozes homes in the West Bank --> Israelis are the good guys protecting themselves from terrorism.
Chinese build railroads into Tibet --> Chinese are the bad guys committing genocide against Tibetans.
 
Old 04-27-2014, 07:02 PM
 
Location: Western Oregon
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Tibet is an isolated land with few resources. All the neighboring countries are poor too.
No matter you like it or not, Chinese "immigrants" are the main power to develop its economy.
Did Tibet ask for this "help"?
 
Old 04-27-2014, 09:11 PM
 
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map of the Repubic of China pre-1949 showing Tibet is part of China

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