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Old 12-23-2013, 04:18 PM
 
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Maybe Tibet has a chance as a much smaller nation than the current boundaries of the province.

 
Old 12-23-2013, 05:29 PM
 
Location: Melbourne, Australia
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Many Han Chinese do not want to live there permanently though. They just want to make some money and leave. If not, their children will leave.

Tibet has very harsh climate (for most people) and very few opportunities unless you want to run small business. Their education and health care systems are also the least developed in China.
The only advantage is a relatively high salary (but prices are high as well).
I think some will stay. There's also the risk of many young Tibetans wanting to leave Tibet for the bigger cities and losing their identity/culture, but that happens everywhere...
 
Old 12-23-2013, 06:18 PM
 
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No, Tibet will always be China now. They've been relocating Han Chinese into Tibet for decades already. And I don't see any possible way whatsoever that the Tibetans would be able to take it back. Even less likely if a ton of Han Chinese keep putting down roots there.
Tibet has become part of territory of China since Tang dynasty. Based on historical reason, it is impossible Tibet will separate from China and it will always be China .
 
Old 12-23-2013, 06:26 PM
 
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I think some will stay. There's also the risk of many young Tibetans wanting to leave Tibet for the bigger cities and losing their identity/culture, but that happens everywhere...
There will certainly be people who immigrate to Tibet from the rest of China stay on, intermarry with Tibetans and make that region home. You can make analogues with the American Southwest or Hawaii, or the Canadian tundra, or the inner deserts of Australia: a territory gets annexed by a nation, people from the nation that annexed it take advantage of jobs related to the resources there, some cycle through back home and others lay down roots... fast forward one, two generations, and you now have a large, possibly majority, permanent population of people who aren't a part of the area's native culture, per se, and thus would be disinclined to join any sort of independence movement.
 
Old 12-23-2013, 06:45 PM
 
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There will certainly be people who immigrate to Tibet from the rest of China stay on, intermarry with Tibetans and make that region home. You can make analogues with the American Southwest or Hawaii, or the Canadian tundra, or the inner deserts of Australia: a territory gets annexed by a nation, people from the nation that annexed it take advantage of jobs related to the resources there, some cycle through back home and others lay down roots... fast forward one, two generations, and you now have a large, possibly majority, permanent population of people who aren't a part of the area's native culture, per se, and thus would be disinclined to join any sort of independence movement.
Urumqi in Xinjiang is now majority Han. There've been clashes between Han and Uyghur because the latter feel they're being taken over and their culture is being eroded. It's not unlike what happened in the US 200 years ago.
 
Old 12-23-2013, 07:05 PM
 
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Urumqi in Xinjiang is now majority Han. There've been clashes between Han and Uyghur because the latter feel they're being taken over and their culture is being eroded. It's not unlike what happened in the US 200 years ago.
.... and we all know how that ended up.
 
Old 12-23-2013, 07:10 PM
 
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.... and we all know how that ended up.
Although at least the Chinese aren't massacring the natives like the Americans did the native Americans.
 
Old 12-23-2013, 07:11 PM
 
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Im still waiting for the United Nations De-colonization Committee to place Tibet on the list of "non-self governing territories".

I find it strange how only US, British, or French territories are on the list but we never hear a single peep about Tibet, Xijaing, Kashmir, Tuva, Dagestan, Chechnya, East Turkestan, etc. I guess imperialism is only wrong when it's the Westerners doing the colonizing ...
 
Old 12-23-2013, 07:13 PM
 
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Im still waiting for the United Nations De-colonization Committee to place Tibet on the list of "non-self governing territories".

I find it strange how only US, British, or French territories are on the list but we never hear a single peep about Tibet, Xijaing, Kashmir, Tuva, East Turkestan, etc. I guess imperialism is only wrong when it's the Westerners doing the colonizing ...
Because it's not a territory, though it's an 'autonomous province.'
 
Old 12-23-2013, 07:32 PM
 
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Tibet has become part of territory of China since Tang dynasty. Based on historical reason, it is impossible Tibet will separate from China and it will always be China .
It's been a tributary state much more than it's ever been an actual part of China and this does sort of go back and forth. I'm also not sure if historical precedence going way back really solidifies a claim that much though I do like the idea of Mongolia trying to push a claim for the majority of Eurasia. It'd be pretty fun.
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