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Old 08-02-2014, 06:08 PM
 
Location: State of Transition
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Mongolia would still be China's if it wasn't backed by the Soviets.
Wait. China used to be Mongoia's. Along with much of Russia.

 
Old 08-03-2014, 04:31 AM
 
Location: Eindhoven, Netherlands
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Wait. China used to be Mongoia's. Along with much of Russia.
Let them know!
Mongolian empire = Largest contiguous land empire in history.
Owned like 90% of Asia and part of Eastern Europe in the 1200's.
 
Old 08-03-2014, 11:15 AM
 
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Default Is the situation in Tibet and Xinjiang and its people anything like these other ethnic conflicts . . . . . .

Is the situation in Tibet and Xinjiang and its people anything like what you have with :

Israel, and Palestinians

South Africa and its apartheid

America pre civil rights

England and Northern Ireland

Canada and the Quebec independence movement

Each one is obviously a step away from each other in intensity and level of oppressiveness. Both Xinjiang and Tibet have already been a part of a chinese empire for some time now. You would think all the parties involved would be well accustomed to each other by now. What I mean is both Xinjiang and Tibet were a part of the Manchu dynasty. Is this more an ethnic conflict or government one? For the most part, the Communist party has been oppressive to the ethnic han.
 
Old 08-03-2014, 01:45 PM
 
Location: Taipei
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Is the situation in Tibet and Xinjiang and its people anything like what you have with :

Israel, and Palestinians

South Africa and its apartheid

America pre civil rights

England and Northern Ireland

Canada and the Quebec independence movement

Each one is obviously a step away from each other in intensity and level of oppressiveness. Both Xinjiang and Tibet have already been a part of a chinese empire for some time now. You would think all the parties involved would be well accustomed to each other by now. What I mean is both Xinjiang and Tibet were a part of the Manchu dynasty. Is this more an ethnic conflict or government one? For the most part, the Communist party has been oppressive to the ethnic han.
I think it's more of a government conflict.CCP wants their regime to be ever-stable so they certainly wouldn't want people that have such strong faith like the Tibetans and Uyghurs to mess up with them.That faith happens to be the nationalism of both places,mixed with religions.

But CCP is smart,they introduced a **** load of ethic hans to Xinjiang and Tibet so both places would look very Han-centric.That's why we always hear about how many casualties of ethnic han on the news,then it'd look like that the Uyghurs are some radical minorities who practice terrorism to achieve their goals.Well,in fact they are minorities now,even though they weren't.

Btw the relationships between Xinjiang and China and between Tibet and China differ from time to time,in some time they were part of the empire,while in other time they were more like how Canada and UK are nowadays.
 
Old 08-03-2014, 02:08 PM
 
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But CCP is smart,they introduced a **** load of ethic hans to Xinjiang and Tibet so both places would look very Han-centric.That's why we always hear about how many casualties of ethnic han on the news,then it'd look like that the Uyghurs are some radical minorities who practice terrorism to achieve their goals.Well,in fact they are minorities now,even though they weren't.
Massive population transfer like that is considered a human rights violation in international human rights law. Turning an Indigenous nationality into a minority on its own ancestral land is the first step toward cultural genocide. It also provides the regime with easy justification for mobilizing police and the army against Native nationalities for the protection of the dominant ethnicity.
 
Old 08-03-2014, 02:12 PM
 
Location: Taipei
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Massive population transfer like that is considered a human rights violation in international human rights law. Turning an Indigenous nationality into a minority on its own ancestral land is the first step toward cultural genocide. It also provides the regime with easy justification for mobilizing police and the army against Native nationalities for the protection of the dominant ethnicity.
I don't think CCP gives a ****,lol.
 
Old 08-03-2014, 07:07 PM
 
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Firstly it's not England and Northern Ireland, it's British loyalists living in Northern Ireland, mostly Ulster Scots, and Irish Republicans. Most English (which only form one country in the United Kingdom) couldn't care less about the conflict, and would give back Northern Ireland if it weren't for the unionists.

Anyway, I would say a lot of the conflict is a result of the Communist Party/government's policies. As you noticed, the government is oppressive in some ways to all Chinese, but I think the minority groups are resentful because of the large movement of non locals there, which dilutes local culture. Many young Tibetans and Uyghurs mostly speak Mandarin too, and many fear the old traditional languages will be lost.
 
Old 08-04-2014, 03:00 AM
 
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the Golden Horde (yellow), the Chagatai Khanate (gray), Great Yuan (green) and the Ilkhanate (purple)
each with their OWN Mongol rulers

[url]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/82/MongolEmpireDivisions1300.png/1280px-MongolEmpireDivisions1300.png[/url]

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Old 08-04-2014, 04:45 AM
 
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Let them know!
Mongolian empire = Largest contiguous land empire in history.
Owned like 90% of Asia and part of Eastern Europe in the 1200's.
In the history text books of China(and Taiwan as well lol),Mongolian empire is one of the "dynasties" of Chinese empire.

Talk about feel-good nationalism.
 
Old 08-04-2014, 04:57 AM
 
Location: Eindhoven, Netherlands
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In the history text books of China(and Taiwan as well lol),Mongolian empire is one of the "dynasties" of Chinese empire.

Talk about feel-good nationalism.
Just shows you how much you can trust history books, i almost don't trust anything anymore dated before WWII.
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