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Old 12-27-2013, 12:39 AM
 
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Not to sound pessimist, but I don't think Tibet will ever be independent (at least not in our time) just like the "autonomous" Inner Mongolia will never be part of Mongolia.

To ensure this, they are Sinicized with encouraged Han Chinese migration to those respective regions.

 
Old 12-27-2013, 02:39 AM
 
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It generally is. In the West, a Han and a Hui would be the same "ethnicity" in most peoples' eyes... both would just be "Chinese," and the Hui would be "Chinese people who are Muslim." For the most part, ethnicity is viewed as something separate from religion while in other parts of the world, that religion can be what defines two separate ethnicities from within the same region.
Yes. I think the 'Manchu' ethnicity is becoming sort of meaningless as most of them are so mixed with the Han and can't speak Manchu.
 
Old 12-27-2013, 03:01 AM
 
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No. Tibet will never be free of Chinese occupation in our lifetime.
 
Old 12-27-2013, 07:49 PM
 
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Not to sound pessimist, but I don't think Tibet will ever be independent (at least not in our time) just like the "autonomous" Inner Mongolia will never be part of Mongolia.

To ensure this, they are Sinicized with encouraged Han Chinese migration to those respective regions.
If Inner Mongolia ever became a part of Mongolia, Mongols would become a minority in their own country in an instant. Mongols make up only 17% of the population of Inner Mongolia (out of a population of 24 million) and there are only 2 million people who live in Mongolia. The Han Chinese make up 79% of the population of Inner Mongolia. Do the math and you see that Mongols would be only 23% of the population of a united Mongolia. The Chinese minority is already disproportionately represented in Mongolia's economy and China is also Mongolia's biggest trade partner. A unified Mongolia would be disastrous for Mongols and would just further marginalized Mongols in their own country. The ethnic Chinese in Mongolia would be the politically, culturally, and economically dominant ethnic group in Mongolia and a democratic Mongolia would further lead to consolidation of the ethnic Chinese's power. IMO, there is a greater chance of a Mongolia annexation into the PRC rather than a unification of Mongolia.
 
Old 12-27-2013, 07:54 PM
 
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If Inner Mongolia ever became a part of Mongolia, Mongols would become a minority in their own country in an instant. Mongols make up only 17% of the population of Inner Mongolia (out of a population of 24 million) and there are only 2 million people who live in Mongolia. The Han Chinese make up 79% of the population of Inner Mongolia. Do the math and you see that Mongols would be only 23% of the population of a united Mongolia. The Chinese minority is already disproportionately represented in Mongolia's economy and China is also Mongolia's biggest trade partner. A unified Mongolia would be disastrous for Mongols and would just further marginalized Mongols in their own country. The ethnic Chinese in Mongolia would be the politically, culturally, and economically dominant ethnic group in Mongolia and a democratic Mongolia would further lead to consolidation of the ethnic Chinese's power. IMO, there is a greater chance of a Mongolia annexation into the PRC rather than a unification of Mongolia.
The ROC (Republic of China) actually claims Mongolia, so if the Nationalists had won Mongolia would be another autonomous province of China today. Ironically, the Mongol conquest of China is probably what led to this situation, as The Khans adopted Chinese culture.etc, and Mongolia and China sort of became part of the same Empire until the fall of the Qing.
 
Old 12-31-2013, 01:18 AM
 
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It depends... Do the Tibetans have a sense of pride or wanting of their own identity like, for example, the Vietnamese. It would be more difficult today (compared to, say, 200>years ago) and one must also consider communism... probably one of the worst forms of propaganda... trying to assimilate Tibet and it's people as fast as they can. I really do hope that Tibet does become an independent state in the near future if possible.
 
Old 12-31-2013, 10:55 AM
 
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If Inner Mongolia ever became a part of Mongolia, Mongols would become a minority in their own country in an instant. Mongols make up only 17% of the population of Inner Mongolia (out of a population of 24 million) and there are only 2 million people who live in Mongolia. The Han Chinese make up 79% of the population of Inner Mongolia. Do the math and you see that Mongols would be only 23% of the population of a united Mongolia. The Chinese minority is already disproportionately represented in Mongolia's economy and China is also Mongolia's biggest trade partner. A unified Mongolia would be disastrous for Mongols and would just further marginalized Mongols in their own country. The ethnic Chinese in Mongolia would be the politically, culturally, and economically dominant ethnic group in Mongolia and a democratic Mongolia would further lead to consolidation of the ethnic Chinese's power. IMO, there is a greater chance of a Mongolia annexation into the PRC rather than a unification of Mongolia.
Which is why I explained that Sinicization ensures that China will have complete control of Inner Mongolia and Tibet by maintaining a Han majority in those respective regions.

It's only a matter of time before the Han Chinese "take over" the Xinjiang region as well.
 
Old 12-31-2013, 03:39 PM
 
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That's baloney, absolutely hogwash Western narrated propaganda. Tibet's very complicated relationship with China Proper predates any arrival of communism in China, and anyone with a elementary understanding of Chinese history knows this. Tibet falls in and out of Han Chinese orbit through the centuries, and China today is simply too strong for Tibet to drift away, even with under the table Indian, Western and CIA machination.

Whether you wish it or not, the Chinese themselves certainly do not have any flexibility when it comes to their sovereignty over both Xinjiang and Tibet. Han migration will over time ease whatever tension that might exist. Think of it as the Chinese version of the American Indian Removal policy that worked so well for the United States. Han movement into ethnic regions is similar to the arrival of White Americans into Indian lands. The US and Americans in general who enjoy the fruits of those removal policies (that would be all Americans) really have no moral authority to criticize China. At least the Chinese are not forcibly moving the Tibetans and Uyghurs out of their ethnic regions.
 
Old 01-02-2014, 06:40 AM
 
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What's the point of this whole Tibetan Independence thing except for some overly indulged and under-motivated college kids to wrap their unwashed heads around a 'cause celebre' and feel good about themselves before they start worrying about finding a real job....



I still remember a trip I took to NYC during graduate school days when I encountered a bunch of wailing Tibetan women crying about how China "oppressed" them on a street corner near the UN building....after a few minutes of crying and screaming themselves hoarse, they move to the next street corner and repeat their dramatic performance. All the while, a bunch of white dudes were filming all of it to be made into their "historical documentary"! What a joke!
For some people, such dramatic acts of protests and artificial tears help them get refugee status in western countries and stipend from UN. People on refugee status and stipend will have relatives back home in Tibet in Government jobs and they will send money to them. Just because China is a communist country, it is politically correct to criticise China and Tibetan refugees are cashing on that. Same thing goes for Tamil refugees from Sri Lanka or Sikh separatists from Punjab.
 
Old 01-03-2014, 11:05 AM
 
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My question is, why would they want to? Currently if you are a tibetian, you can travel freely across China, you can easily do business, meet friends, study at a better university, etc.

If they leave China they will be trapped inside a small area, all their exports to China will go through chinese customs and pay tariffs. Not only that, but they will lose access to the sea, making it expensive to export to the rest of the world. It will be much more difficult to manage business, and I bet the country will be extremly corrupt and mismanaged too. If they want to see their future as an independent country, take a look at Nepal.

I think most people in Tibet are more concerned in improving their standard of living, than to become an independent country.
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