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Old 07-06-2014, 02:30 PM
 
Location: Taipei
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There is basically no Pakistani in Taiwan so I have no idea about what other people think,but I think they are Asian,or what else should they be called?
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Old 07-06-2014, 03:37 PM
 
Location: Vineland, NJ
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I don't think Asian people consider the people on the west side of the Asian continent, which means the side that passes beyond Myanmar and China borders, Asians. I think the term "Asian" actually indicates the "Oriental Asian" only. Indians are just....Indians. Yeah, I find it very "confusing" when in the US census forms and sorts, they put Indians and Pakistanis as "Asian" but in real life, nobody sees them the same as the "Asians" we're so get used to. Should they add another category for people from the west side of the Asian continent?
Last year when the Miss America Pageant crowned the first ever contestant of Indian descent and there was an huge amount of racist remarks on social media sites like Twitter. People were saying things like "Miss America is brought to by their sponsors PF Changs and 7-11." and "Congratulations Al-Qaeda. Our Miss America is one of you". You can almost guarantee that if a Miss America had been of East Asian descent, there wouldn't have been racist comments like the ones posted on Twitter.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/ryanhatesthi...american-woman



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Old 07-06-2014, 08:01 PM
 
Location: East coast
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Part of it is cultural, too: East and Southeast Asia are more directly influenced by Chinese culture (the Sinosphere) and India and South Asia have their own, separate dominant culture that is equally ancient.
Well, in some parts of southeast Asia, India influenced as much as China did, even moreso locally in some places, depending on the time period historically. For example, Bali, Indonesia is still Hindu today.

Countries and regions, like Indo-china (being influenced by both Chinese and Indian civilizations) and Indonesia bear the Indo- prefix for a reason. I don't think say Indonesia, was historically any closer to China than India, although there are lots of ethnic Chinese themselves living in Indonesia today.

Greater India - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In any case, I find it interesting that Asians in the Old World countries themselves would use a race-based definition invented by the west, or Americans. Might this be media influence through globalization? I don't think Asians thought of themselves as a group called "Asians" prior to western media.

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Old 07-06-2014, 08:16 PM
 
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I think it also depends on where in you're asking (especially in America) in NYC for example, you'll be lumped with Indians, Bengali, Sri Lankan, and Nepali people, who then are broadly categorized as Asian. Elsewhere, you will either be categorized as middle eastern or in a class of your own.

I can't speak for beyond where I live (NYC), but here people are definitely more conscious of South Asian diversity and I think they would see fit to equate Pakistani-Americans with Punjabi people and other North Indians. And Bengali people and South Indian people fall into their own group. I only say this because of the stereotypes that exist for these groups as well, however untrue they may be.

For example, punjabi people I think are less regarded in the academic light than South Indians and Bengalis. And because of similar physical features (I may be wrong but aren't a lot of punjabi Indian people just migrants from pre-partition Pakistan?) and language, Pakistani people will all just be classified as the same. In the end I think the vast majority of NYC people do consider them all Asian.

It all comes down to physical features attributed to different groups of people, South Asian people have a lot of diversity and someone in Pakistan can range from looking like your run of the mill white person to positively black and in the north bordering china you'll even find more "Asian"- looking people, so there's no cookie cutter way of classifying race by nationality, in the end it's political and physical continental boundaries.
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Old 07-06-2014, 08:31 PM
 
Location: Western Oregon
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I think it also depends on where in you're asking (especially in America) in NYC for example, you'll be lumped with Indians, Bengali, Sri Lankan, and Nepali people, who then are broadly categorized as Asian. Elsewhere, you will either be categorized as middle eastern or in a class of your own.

I can't speak for beyond where I live (NYC), but here people are definitely more conscious of South Asian diversity and I think they would see fit to equate Pakistani-Americans with Punjabi people and other North Indians. And Bengali people and South Indian people fall into their own group. I only say this because of the stereotypes that exist for these groups as well, however untrue they may be.

For example, punjabi people I think are less regarded in the academic light than South Indians and Bengalis. And because of similar physical features (I may be wrong but aren't a lot of punjabi Indian people just migrants from pre-partition Pakistan?) and language, Pakistani people will all just be classified as the same. In the end I think the vast majority of NYC people do consider them all Asian.

It all comes down to physical features attributed to different groups of people, South Asian people have a lot of diversity and someone in Pakistan can range from looking like your run of the mill white person to positively black and in the north bordering china you'll even find more "Asian"- looking people, so there's no cookie cutter way of classifying race by nationality, in the end it's political and physical continental boundaries.
Great post. I went to a small restaurant in the Seattle area called "Usmania Tikka Kabob Restaurant". The food was excellent. I asked the elderly chef/owner, who wore a Sikh turban, if he was from India or Pakistan. He told me that when he left there in the 1940's, it was all India, and he didn't really answer my question. That made me smile. There's still very much a brotherhood between Pakistan and India, despite the fighting.

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Old 07-07-2014, 12:22 AM
 
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I think the Pakistan is the middle east
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Old 07-07-2014, 12:25 AM
 
Location: Western Oregon
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I think the Pakistan is the middle east
You can think what you want and it doesn't change facts.
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Old 07-07-2014, 10:55 AM
 
Location: Vineland, NJ
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You can think what you want and it doesn't change facts.
What exactly comprises the Middle East can vary depending on what borders are use. I've seen definitions that go as far east as Bangladesh and as far west as Mauritania(West Africa).
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Old 07-08-2014, 08:44 PM
 
Location: The Heart of Dixie
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I'm Pakistani descent, and I'm asking this question out of curiosity, I know that Pakistan is geographically entirely in Asia, but a lot of times when I talk to "Asian people"(Chinese,Korean types) and I tell them i'm Asian too, they tell me that Pakis aren't really Asian.

When I talk to American people, they usually think Pakistan's in the middle east probably because we're mostly Muslim and because of the war on terror, we were put into the "Greater Middle East", but I don't really see myself as Middle eastern, but then Orientals don't see us as Asian either(the ones I know), so I don't know what exactly are we, I mean when I fill out a US census form I tick "Asian" but I'm not considered Asian by "Asians" in general, so even though I'm not eligible for Affirmative Action, I don't get the positive stereotypes that other Asians get, and I usually get the negative stereotypes middle eastern people get.

So do East Asians consider us Asian, or do you see us as belonging to another make-belief region?
I am Asian American of Taiwanese and Chinese ancestry and I don't consider Pakistanis to be Asians. Nor do I consider anyone in the Middle East, Siberia, or former Soviet Central Asia to be "Asian". For me Asian means East Asian descent like Chinese, Japanese, Korean, Vietnamese, Thai, etc.

If you use the technical geographic definition of Asia, then you would have to include the people of Israel and Siberian Russia to be Asian as well. So would you consider your "Zionist friends" in Tel Aviv to be Asians? I'm not sure if I consider people from India to be Asian. Also in the US when you check the box for racial self identification, Middle Easterners and Arabs are technically considered "white" even though they don't consider themselves white and most white Americans don't consider them white either. I would group Pakistanis along with Arabs and Iranians.
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Old 07-08-2014, 10:47 PM
 
Location: Czech Republic
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I am Asian American of Taiwanese and Chinese ancestry and I don't consider Pakistanis to be Asians. Nor do I consider anyone in the Middle East, Siberia, or former Soviet Central Asia to be "Asian". For me Asian means East Asian descent like Chinese, Japanese, Korean, Vietnamese, Thai, etc.

If you use the technical geographic definition of Asia, then you would have to include the people of Israel and Siberian Russia to be Asian as well. So would you consider your "Zionist friends" in Tel Aviv to be Asians? I'm not sure if I consider people from India to be Asian. Also in the US when you check the box for racial self identification, Middle Easterners and Arabs are technically considered "white" even though they don't consider themselves white and most white Americans don't consider them white either. I would group Pakistanis along with Arabs and Iranians.
That is quite unfair. Asia is not only for chinky eyed people. That is why, sometimes, I don't want to consider myself Asian because there are people who think that Asians are only Chinese, Koreans and Japanese.
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