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Old 02-01-2014, 01:18 AM
 
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Been to Tokyo for a few days, still alive and do not have any radiation exposure symptoms... It's not like I own a Geiger counter though, so I just trusted that the radiation levels as published are accurate. Kyoto is even further from Fukushima, there are at least 50 million people who are closer to Fukushima than you will ever be in Kyoto. You should be fine there.
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Old 02-01-2014, 10:06 PM
 
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Microwaves don't produce ionizing radiation, and contaminants don't magically stop travelling beyond a 30km radius.

Though I am skeptical of the tin-foil hat-wearing, evacuate the west coast types, this is a serious issue for Japan.
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Old 02-02-2014, 12:29 AM
 
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Microwaves don't produce ionizing radiation, and contaminants don't magically stop travelling beyond a 30km radius.

Though I am skeptical of the tin-foil hat-wearing, evacuate the west coast types, this is a serious issue for Japan.
True, contaminants don't stop magically traveling beyond an imaginary border, but that border represents an exclosionary zone where background radiation levels are higher than what a rational and advanced industrial nation would find acceptable.

The fact is, we live with radiation all around us, 24/7. Health experts with PhD's in their fields and the UN, American, European, etc. scientists all agree on this border being acceptable. You know more than them? I'd like to know ... I'm open minded, I just require facts and data and NOT hoopla, hysteria, and illogical arguments.

Now if this is an emotional issue ... that's fine. Your prerogative to believe or not believe what you want. But don't masquerade around like you know something that you don't.

Sorry for being so vehement on this issue, I have family who live there alright? And the testing they've done, countless scientists and experts have done, have come up squat. And they can easily up and move, yet they don't. Of course, you'll get the 1/1000 who wants to and does for emotional reactions ... but don't point those statistical anomalies as "proof."
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Old 02-02-2014, 08:08 AM
 
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Fukushima No. 2 reactor suppression pool may have 3-cm hole -
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Old 02-02-2014, 08:38 AM
 
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Actually, I think the situation in Japan at the Fukushima plants is much more serious then we've probably led to believe. They don't even know what happened to the reactor cores. Will the radiation eventually reach the Tokyo water supply? What about the Pacific Ocean food chain?

Anyone who says everything is perfectly safe is deluded.
You're right, and of course Japan tourist industry will say it's OK...if you want to believe it...
Nuclear expert admits Fukushima reactors melted into the ground, contaminating hundreds of tons of groundwater daily
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Old 02-02-2014, 09:29 AM
 
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Default If you are in Tokyo or other cities further away, the accumulated amount of radiation, if any, is not life-threatening.

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You're right, and of course Japan tourist industry will say it's OK...if you want to believe it...
Nuclear expert admits Fukushima reactors melted into the ground, contaminating hundreds of tons of groundwater daily
Please use common sense. If Japan really was unsafe, people would have been evacuated to other countries and every government in the world would be advising to avoid travel. Residents in the last two years have not had an increase of illness.
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Old 02-02-2014, 10:54 AM
 
Location: Gatineau, QC, Canada
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True, contaminants don't stop magically traveling beyond an imaginary border, but that border represents an exclosionary zone where background radiation levels are higher than what a rational and advanced industrial nation would find acceptable.

The fact is, we live with radiation all around us, 24/7. Health experts with PhD's in their fields and the UN, American, European, etc. scientists all agree on this border being acceptable. You know more than them? I'd like to know ... I'm open minded, I just require facts and data and NOT hoopla, hysteria, and illogical arguments.

Now if this is an emotional issue ... that's fine. Your prerogative to believe or not believe what you want. But don't masquerade around like you know something that you don't.

Sorry for being so vehement on this issue, I have family who live there alright? And the testing they've done, countless scientists and experts have done, have come up squat. And they can easily up and move, yet they don't. Of course, you'll get the 1/1000 who wants to and does for emotional reactions ... but don't point those statistical anomalies as "proof."
I mostly agree with you. But it seems líke many people here don't underdstand how radiation works. Someone said something about no one being sick yet. Well of course not, it takes decades for deterministic effects (cancers) to begin to appear. Like decades in most cases. I wouldn't expect anyone, except maybe workers to be experiencing burns or hair loss, etc. It's a long term issue.

Even a few hundred km in any direction makes me uncomfortable. I'd want to be looking at numbers constantly. Also, different isotopes have different half lives (caesium - 30yrs) and affects the body differently. It's not so black and white of an issue. If you consume small amounts they remain in your body irradiating whatever organ constantly. Solar rays and the líke just pass through you, for comparison.
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Old 02-02-2014, 06:27 PM
 
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I mostly agree with you. But it seems líke many people here don't underdstand how radiation works. Someone said something about no one being sick yet. Well of course not, it takes decades for deterministic effects (cancers) to begin to appear. Like decades in most cases. I wouldn't expect anyone, except maybe workers to be experiencing burns or hair loss, etc. It's a long term issue.

Even a few hundred km in any direction makes me uncomfortable. I'd want to be looking at numbers constantly. Also, different isotopes have different half lives (caesium - 30yrs) and affects the body differently. It's not so black and white of an issue. If you consume small amounts they remain in your body irradiating whatever organ constantly. Solar rays and the líke just pass through you, for comparison.
If you don't want to get zapped with radiation, don't fly in an airplane , don't get a CT scan, don't go climb a mountain -- the list goes on and on.
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Old 02-02-2014, 06:44 PM
 
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Nothing to worry about. You could drive up to the reactor (if it weren't illegal) get out of your car, take some photos, then drive back to Tokyo and have no negative health effects. Don't go licking the pavement or drinking from open streams within the exclusion zones; that's about the only way you can put yourself at (minor) risk.

Building a house inside the exclusion zone in an area that hasn't been decontaminated and eating from your garden, for 30 years, would probably elevate your cancer risk by a significant percentage.

Otherwise, you are only at risk if you happen to wear a tinfoil hat.
Tinfoil Hat? You had better think again.
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Old 02-02-2014, 06:54 PM
 
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If you don't want to get zapped with radiation, don't fly in an airplane , don't get a CT scan, don't go climb a mountain -- the list goes on and on.
I'm aware of most, if not all, everyday sources of radiation. This doesn't stop the situation in Japan from being pretty serious for the future of a lot of Japan. Contaminants move around the food chain, and differ from x-rays and cosmic rays. They stick around for generations. Not an easy fix for a smallish island country.
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