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Old 02-04-2014, 06:19 PM
 
Location: Melbourne, Australia
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It seems that South Korea has only become really 'first world' like a similar level to Japan or Singapore recently, like the 90s. I think after the Seoul Olympics and it's entry into the OECD in 1996 marked when it became a truly first world country (when it's economy grew as Japan's stagnated and it was heralded as one of the four 'Asian Tigers', although many Korean people still seem different from those in Japan, Singapore.etc, I guess a bit like the Chinese, used to a somewhat rough way of life. Even today, would you say Korea is still less developed than Japan? In some ways Seoul seems even more modern/advanced than Tokyo, but I've seen parts of it that look pretty shabby, especially where they slaughter dogs and that sort of thing...Maybe that's a reason why people say a lot of Japan's infrastructure is 'old' because it was in place earlier. I mean I've seen videos of Tokyo in the 1930s and it looked as modern as Europe, while Korea seemed more rural, kinda like Vietnam or something but not tropical.

When would you say Japan became first world also? As early as the 60s, or a bit later? I'd say countries like Italy and Spain probably also did about the same time.

Would you good to hear from Tiger Beer, and others familiar with both.

 
Old 02-04-2014, 07:36 PM
 
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I thought the requirenment to become a developed country is per capita of 20$k? that's not so long ago i think,, but if compared to Japan they are still behind, Japan has been developed for very long time, maybe i would say in the 70s or 80s compared to Korea.
 
Old 02-04-2014, 07:38 PM
 
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I thought the requirenment to become a developed country is per capita of 20$k? that's not so long ago i think,, but if compared to Japan they are still behind, Japan has been developed for very long time, maybe i would say in the 70s or 80s compared to Korea.
List of countries by GDP (PPP) per capita - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Korea is not far behind Japan. I wouldn't be surprised if it's surpasses it pretty soon in GDP per capita.
 
Old 02-04-2014, 08:39 PM
 
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I would think around 10 years ago in 2004. That was when Korean tourists started appearing all over Asia, when Korean dramas suddenly became hip and Samsung slowly became a well-known brand challenging Sony. It was also around that time that Incheon International Airport opened and that airport is better than either Tokyo-Narita or Osaka-Kansai.

I first visited Korea in 1988 and it was very different that time. Almost all cars and electronics were Korean-made. Koreans did not travel abroad, they just went to Jeju Island for honeymoon. Their economy was improving very fast at that time though and the Japanese economy was stagnating. Was in Seoul last year and it has changed a LOT. Korea was severely affected by the 1997 Asian Financial Crisis though, so I think the few years it took them to recover plus the years it took them to showcase their products to the world again is around 2004.

I would say that Korea is very developed now and can definitely considered 1st world, but I am still waiting for the day when Korean cars can be considered at par with Toyota, Honda or other Japanese cars.
 
Old 02-05-2014, 12:31 AM
 
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There are still certain little things in still in Korea, you would never see in Australia. Little old Ladies selling pieces of Fruit on street corners, and people pulling rickshaws collecting cardboard boxes and other recyclables are quite common in the area of Seoul we are currently living in.

The thing that has stuck me most about Korea recently is how expensive the place is, apart from the high taxed things in oz like Booze and Cigarettes, most general consumer items you by in the supermarkets are as, if not more expensive than they are in Australia.

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Old 02-05-2014, 03:59 AM
 
Location: Melbourne, Australia
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There are still certain little things in still in Korea, you would never see in Australia. Little old Ladies selling pieces of Fruit on street corners, and people pulling rickshaws collecting cardboard boxes and other recyclables are quite common in the area of Seoul we are currently living in.

The thing that has stuck me most about Korea recently is how expensive the place is, apart from the high taxed things in oz like Booze and Cigarettes, most general consumer items you by in the supermarkets are as, if not more expensive than they are in Australia.
Come to Footscray, haha, actually saw old ladies outside the markets selling produce just like they do in Vietnam! Also see people collecting recyclables and stuff too.
 
Old 02-05-2014, 04:18 AM
 
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I would say in the last 20 years Korea has gone from a 2nd world to 1st world country. 20 years ago, their cars were crap and they are now approaching the level of the Japanese.

There's a strong motivation and rivalry the Koreans feel to go past Japan...they are focused on this. IMHO, the Koreans are more style conscious and have a better sense of style than the Japanese.

Seoul is an incredibly advanced 1st world city with great subway and transportation system and wireless everywhere.

I worked for a leading electronics company in Korea. They are great at learning and copying technology and systems as well as excellent in marketing. I'm not confident that we'll see new technologies coming out of Korea but more refining of existing technologies.
 
Old 02-05-2014, 05:27 AM
 
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Year Gross domestic product based on purchasing-power-parity (PPP) per capita GDP Percent Change

1980 2302.288
1981 2662.612 15.65 %
1982 3012.35 13.14 %
1983 3461.543 14.91 %
1984 3897.274 12.59 %
1985 4272.953 9.64 %
1986 4853.443 13.59 %
1987 5551.948 14.39 %
1988 6349.814 14.37 %
1989 6965.295 9.69 %
1990 7829.165 12.40 %
1991 8806.414 12.48 %
1992 9436.407 7.15 %
1993 10151.74 7.58 %
1994 11162 9.95 %
1995 12287.91 10.09 %
1996 13294.48 8.19 %
1997 14175.81 6.63 %
1998 13419.58 -5.33 %
1999 14971.44 11.56 %
2000 16502.58 10.23 %
2001 17416.63 5.54 %
2002 18858.63 8.28 %
2003 19696.82 4.44 %
2004 21138.1 7.32 %
2005 22783.23 7.78 %
2006 24655.92 8.22 %
2007 26579.12 7.80 %
2008 27707.05 4.24 %
2009 28008.26 1.09 %
2010 29996.84 7.10 %

"In the 1960s, GDP per capita was comparable with levels in the poorer countries of Africa and Asia"
 
Old 02-05-2014, 07:29 AM
 
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especially where they slaughter dogs and that sort of thing...
Why do you think slaughtering dogs makes a country less "developed"?

Dogs are just animals. Westerners like to t think of them as being different from cows and pigs, or as pets/friends, that doesn't mean all other countries have to think the same and obey the same rule.

America slaughters cattle and pigs, is it less developed? Japan kills whales, just so you know.

If S Korea isn't a developed country, nor are Greece, Portual, Italy, New Zealand. Well, honestly I don't think Portugal and Greece are developed countries any more.
 
Old 02-05-2014, 03:55 PM
 
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Why do you think slaughtering dogs makes a country less "developed"?

Dogs are just animals. Westerners like to t think of them as being different from cows and pigs, or as pets/friends, that doesn't mean all other countries have to think the same and obey the same rule.

America slaughters cattle and pigs, is it less developed? Japan kills whales, just so you know.

If S Korea isn't a developed country, nor are Greece, Portual, Italy, New Zealand. Well, honestly I don't think Portugal and Greece are developed countries any more.
No I was talking about the area where they slaughtered dogs, it looked a bit slummy...well I didn't say I had a problem with dog consumption, but this was just really cruel.etc. I know the raising of chickens, cows and pigs can also be a cruel process, but I suppose seeing them brutalise the dogs etc was shocking. I suppose if they slaughtered humanely it wouldn't be a problem.
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