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Old 02-15-2014, 07:49 AM
 
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Seriously, any HUMAN rights violations of a minority group > slaughter of animals that had been traditional sources of food



The China that was US's ally in WWII is the Republic of China, not the People's Republic of China.
Indeed, that China is dead. Someone must of gotten fired in DC when China fell to the Communists. Never trust a communist!
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Old 02-16-2014, 01:01 AM
 
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Define "communist"? China doesn't need your trust. Who are you? You really think China is a "communist" country? Just because a country doesn't adopt the western style politican system doesn't mean it is "communist". It is authoritarian not communist.
Who the heck are you? I don't want the PRC's trust. You never trust a communist!
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As for tibet, you are brainwashed by English media. Tibet had a slavery system before 1949 and nobles like Dalai Lama were slave owners. Most average people didn't have accesss to basic stuff such as healthcare and education, because they were considered properties. Trust me, most of average Tibetans are a lot better off after 1949. All the nobility class were deprived their previleges and held deep grudge against the Chinese government, which US/UK smartly took advantage of and used for their own political gain.
I don't really care what the history was. I don't like the people's liberation army occupying tibet. you're brainwashed by PRC state media.
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You should really read more and have some independent thinking. All the China prosecuted Tibetans stories are nothing but US propoganda against a country it doesn't like. Today, a Tibetan enjoys far more freedom than a Han, the majority.
I do. I don't like PRC nationalism and its soft power propaganda. If the tibetan enjoys more freedom than a Han, then why is the PLA needed to occupy tibet? Don't they want to be apart of the PRC? Never trust a communist!
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Turn back to international settlement? Well, don't worry, if you want colonizing, maybe it will be time for China to colonize wherever you are from, not the other way. In case you didn't notice, times have changed.
I don't think the PRC will be colonizing. The people that have money will leave it. Why else would they buy real estate in western countries? The CCP will not last forever. Everytime the dynatsy in China changes, they will be turmoil. Why did your family move from China to Canada? Not enough opportunity?
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Old 02-16-2014, 06:02 PM
 
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I don't really care what the history was. I don't like the people's liberation army occupying tibet. you're brainwashed by PRC state media.

If the tibetan enjoys more freedom than a Han, then why is the PLA needed to occupy tibet? Don't they want to be apart of the PRC? Never trust a communist!
China "occupies" the Tibetan region because it has poured billions of yuan into developing its infrastructure over the past 50 years. People get stirred up about it because they see the Han as cracking down on the region just for the sake of it. While it's true Tibetan culture is being eroded due to Han Chinese migrating there in droves, it's difficult to say what would have become of the region were it left to govern itself. It certainly wouldn't be as prosperous as it is now. Schools, hospitals, roads, airports and other facilities wouldn't be nearly as good as they are now. So while it does seem wrong that Beijing refuses to leave the region to it's own devices, Tibet does owe a lot to the capital for the amount of money that was invested into it.

Also, the India/Tibet border plays an important role in keeping a strong military in the region.
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Old 02-17-2014, 07:31 AM
 
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I would say the rest of Asia is suspicious of communist states (except Vietnam and NK sort of, even though they're not real communism imo) one-party states - although China and Vietnam aren't really truly communist in practice. Of course there are the perception that the Chinese government is repressive, dictatorial etc...China just dominates the Far East, I guess, in area and population, it's hard to really ignore it...
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Old 02-17-2014, 08:31 AM
 
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^In all fairness, communism has never existed anywhere. Marx was a decent historian, but he was a complete dolt when it came to economics and understanding human nature. China has authoritarian state capitalism while N.K has authoritarian socialism.

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Old 02-17-2014, 09:01 AM
 
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and so it begins:

Xinjiang's Islamic militants posed realistic threat: China | Business Standard:
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Old 02-17-2014, 09:15 PM
 
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This has been going on for years. Xinjiang really is a different place than the rest of China. However, I'm not sure Uighur terrorists fully understand (or care) how much investment is being poured into improving living standards throughout the region.
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Old 02-18-2014, 12:11 PM
 
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China has no friends except for N. Korea and Pakistan. You couldn't have two more disagreeable bedfellows. To put it in colloquial terms, they got some sorta beef with everybody!
Why? Pakistan has strong ties with Western countries especially the US. Perhaps, you are forgetting that Pakistan was the country that arranged Kissingers visit to China.
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Old 02-18-2014, 12:29 PM
 
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. If the tibetan enjoys more freedom than a Han, then why is the PLA needed to occupy tibet? Don't they want to be apart of the PRC?
Tibet at that time was controled by a small group of slave owners/elites, including the Nobel Prize Laureat Dalai Lama (as I mentioned in a previous post), do you think they would willingly give up their slaves and become an ordinary citizen?

Those slaves had no access to any human rights, including healthcare and education because they are properties of the elite class. Tibet also have no roads connecting anywhere else in China. After 1949, the slavery system was completely abolished. Tremendous investment was made in Tibet, infrastructure was built, schools and hospitals were made available to the poor and living standards of the people drastically improved.

And trust me, if there were a referedum in Tibet about leaving China (which means China would pull off its investment and subsidies), there is zero chance it will pass. Most Tibetans know they are far better off under China.

Why was Dalai raised to such a height? because UK/US basically used him as a puppet to contain China - do you really think they care about the freedom or human rights of Tibetans? If they really did, how come they never cared about the atrocious human rights of female in Saudi Arabia?

Get some clue.
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Old 02-18-2014, 02:20 PM
 
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I think most people in the world fear a rising China, but not like the fear of the Nazis or Japanese Empire. We are not talking about Maos China, modern China is very different and is modernizing in the right direction. The reason most of the Asian countries are allied with America and the west is because of economical reasons. My wife's (who is Chinese) family was persecuted in China to the extent that most of her family was killed during the cultural revolution. Her father was the only one who survived out of 6 children and his parents. Her mothers family all survived. The reason they were killed is because they were wealthy. I personally don't fear China, but we shouldn't let down our guard either. Dialogue is going to be extremely important to stop another Cold War. The only thing that would worry me is that if China starts pushing its new found patriotism and nationalism in the wrong direction. The Chinese have a lot to be proud of and their future is bright, and I continue to be optimistic about the worlds future.
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