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There have been lots of contrived starvation programs in the world and most of them were performed by communists...under the guise of Politics. The Stalinist contrived Ukrainian famine of the 1930's
was just one of them
Is Stalin Chinese? Why are you talking about him when we have a discussion on China? Totally irrelevant.
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The number of Han Chinese as a proportion of Xinjiang's population increased dramatically from 6 percent in 1949 to over 40 percent in 1978. With the onset of Deng Xiaoping's economic reforms in the 1980s, migration and settlement into Xinjiang increased again. https://www.hrw.org/news/2000/10/31/...tive-northwest
So now you limited your description to Xinjiang, not China? It is already a change of topic.
However, even you have to admit the change of demography is a result of migration, not "genocide"? Very well.
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Also the HAN did not always dominate China e.g. the Yuan and Qing dynasties were dominated by ethnic Mongols and Manchus after the 1911 revolution the HAN Chinese made a pact with the communists in order to take over China and suppress all other ethnic Chinese who were not HAN. Before the COMMUNIST REVOLUTION ETHNIC HAN WERE A PLURALITY OF CHINA'S POPULATION not an absolute majority.
What an ignorant statement again. Why do you keep posting things you know nothing about?
First of all, the 1911 revolution is the Nationalist Revolution, and Republic of China (NOT People's Republic of China) was established then. ROC was ruled by the Kuomintang, or the Nationalist Party, who hated Communists but lost the civil war in 1949 and retreated to Taiwan.
"Dominate" does not mean "conquer" or "rule". During Yuan and Qing, only the rulers were ethnic minorities, but the vast majority of Chinese population was by far Han Chinese. Just use your brain to think, how is it even possible that some nomads from the north of China (such as Mongols) can have a larger population than Han Chinese. Although you are ignorant, I hope you have common sense.
Is Stalin Chinese? Why are you talking about him when we have a discussion on China? Totally irrelevant.
So now you limited your description to Xinjiang, not China? It is already a change of topic.
However, even you have to admit the change of demography is a result of migration, not "genocide"? Very well.
Read 2 paragraphs below.That is IF you don't need someone to read it for you.LOL
What an ignorant statement again. Why do you keep posting things you know nothing about?
First of all, the 1911 revolution is the Nationalist Revolution, and Republic of China (NOT People's Republic of China) was established then. ROC was ruled by the Kuomintang, or the Nationalist Party, who hated Communists but lost the civil war in 1949 and retreated to Taiwan.
When leftist liberals have no logical responses they result to name calling.
A typical liberal like yourself does not understand history or
"Dominate" does not mean "conquer" or "rule". During Yuan and Qing, only the rulers were ethnic minorities, but the vast majority of Chinese population was by far Han Chinese. Just use your brain to think, how is it even possible that some nomads from the north of China (such as Mongols) can have a larger population than Han Chinese. Although you are ignorant, I hope you have common sense.
Dominate....a person like you thinks Domination is merely SEXUAL IN NATURE.
You have no idea what your talking about because you are strung out and brainwashed on Fentanyl and other designer drugs from China.
After the 1911 revolution HUAN CHINESE who were a plurality of China's population, started to link the mountain regions economically and socially to the coastal regions. In these mountain regions all the different minorities together outnumbered the HUAN on the coast.
Please refrain from name calling. When liberals lose a debate that is what people like you tend to do. You guys sound like Lester Holt who going around North Korea now praising communism and denouncing the west.
Nationalist Party, who hated Communists but lost the civil war in 1949 and retreated to Taiwan.
What is your point? The Han nationists conspired with the Han communists since 1911 to suppress Non-Han Chinese who were the majority. Taiwanese who were a non-Han culture were also was taken over by the Han nationists. You better stop buying Chinese drugs on line clear your mind and start analyzing history instead of listening to the censorship posted by the Chinese government on Google.
Eventhough it is HAN INSTEAD OF HUAN ..... no historical academic can deny Chinas' demographics are over 92 percent HAN .....Nor can the anti American multinational left deny the fact that the communist revolution was Demographic victory for the HAN people who were a minority of China's population in 1949....lol
Wow. So you’re bonkers and you’re just going to make stuff up.
My in laws lived under Mao in Henan province where there was a lot of death from starvation. Henan is the breadbasket of China and during WWII they had a massive famine and they couldn’t grow any food. On top of that the Japanese invaded the province burning everything to the ground forcing nearly every human person to escape. The nationalist government was still governoring the province at this time and food and supplies was coming through Burma and Chongching by Americans and British, I had a great uncle who flew supply missions to ChongChing actually, but it wasn’t enough and starvation had already started happening. By the time WWII had ended, the communists had taken the province and had stopped all foreign food and supplies from coming in, exacerbating the famine. Worse yet, the communists forced all sorts of upper class and educated people to work farms, and they had no clue what they were doing. My father in law was born in one of the re-education camps and it was awful. There was no genocide on purpose and it wasn’t targeting non Han Chinese. Communist and Maoist principles did worsen the situation greatly, there is no denying that, but some on the far right take bits of truth and add propaganda to it, which is what you are doing now.
In historical China, I don’t include Tibet or Xinjiang in historical China, Han have always been the majority except in a few border regions like the southern provinces. But nationally, they have always been the large majority. China has historically been ruled by minorities a lot, especially Mongolians and Manchu, and those times were some of China’s golden years. During New China, aka communist China, minorities have almost always been exempt from national laws.
China is barely a Communist country anymore, they are a one party dictatorship with some communist and socialist parts, but they are more free market now then communist.
I live part time near Zhengzhou in Henan and it has a decently large Christian population and it’s easy to see China is becoming more and more westernized, even out here in the “backwards” provinces.
Nationalist Party, who hated Communists but lost the civil war in 1949 and retreated to Taiwan.
What is your point? The Han nationists conspired with the Han communists since 1911 to suppress Non-Han Chinese who were the majority. Taiwanese who were a non-Han culture were also was taken over by the Han nationists. You better stop buying Chinese drugs on line clear your mind and start analyzing history instead of listening to the censorship posted by the Chinese government on Google.
The Chinese Communist Party was founded in 1921, and controlled China in 1949. The National Party and the Communist Party were enemies since 1927, although they officially ceased fire 1936-1945 to fight Japanese together. The "Nationalist Party" is actually not an accurate translation. Their Chinese name means "Citizen's Party".
Ethnic Han Chinese have been moving to Taiwan since long time ago, but the peak was during Qing dynasty. It has nothing to do with either nationalists or communists. In 1949 the Nationalist Party brought the ROC central government to Taiwan, but Taiwan was under their control since 1945, after the Japanese surrendered.
Could you educate yourself a little bit before posting nonsense?
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