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Old 03-05-2014, 09:00 AM
 
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And as for India, it's a dump, let's face it. China is light years ahead of India in terms of infrastructure and many other areas.
Agree.
China shouldn't be compared with India any more.

China nowadays has excellent highways leading everywhere, top notch subway system and high speed rail that even western countries envy. In India, many roads are not even paved yet.

I live in Toronto, Canada, and the infrastructure here looks like in Shanghai 1990, and local people don't even realise how backward things are.
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Old 03-05-2014, 09:11 AM
 
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I've driven all over China and it's true the highways are generally excellent. Chinese drivers, however, are among the worst in the world. In this context, China absolutely deserves comparison with India, another country with god-awful drivers.

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Agree.
China shouldn't be compared with India any more.

China nowadays has excellent highways leading everywhere, top notch subway system and high speed rail that even western countries envy. In India, many roads are not even paved yet.

I live in Toronto, Canada, and the infrastructure here looks like in Shanghai 1990, and local people don't even realise how backward things are.
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Old 03-05-2014, 09:24 AM
 
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I've driven all over China and it's true the highways are generally excellent. Chinese drivers, however, are among the worst in the world. In this context, China absolutely deserves comparison with India, another country with god-awful drivers.
haha, that's probably true
To expect a signal before changing line would be too much to ask for and it is not unusual to see 5 cars running on 4 lanes.
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Old 03-05-2014, 01:46 PM
 
Location: Estonia
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I've driven all over China and it's true the highways are generally excellent. Chinese drivers, however, are among the worst in the world. In this context, China absolutely deserves comparison with India, another country with god-awful drivers.
Totally agree with you, Chinese drivers are... I don't know how to put it, stupid sums it up mildly. But the police doesn't enforce traffic rules either, if they even have some. Quite a portion probably doesn't even know that they are using improper driving techniques or they just don't care.
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Old 03-05-2014, 04:49 PM
 
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Agree.
China shouldn't be compared with India any more.

China nowadays has excellent highways leading everywhere, top notch subway system and high speed rail that even western countries envy. In India, many roads are not even paved yet.

I live in Toronto, Canada, and the infrastructure here looks like in Shanghai 1990, and local people don't even realise how backward things are.
Infrastructure is important but having good roads doesn't necessarily reflect the affluence of the average person. It is however amazing that their whole highway system has been built in a mere 15 years or so!
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Old 03-05-2014, 06:24 PM
 
Location: Melbourne, Australia
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Totally agree with you, Chinese drivers are... I don't know how to put it, stupid sums it up mildly. But the police doesn't enforce traffic rules either, if they even have some. Quite a portion probably doesn't even know that they are using improper driving techniques or they just don't care.
Well what do you expect of a country where only 20 years ago most traffic was bicycles? Driving is new to them.
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Old 03-05-2014, 06:26 PM
 
Location: Melbourne, Australia
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Infrastructure is important but having good roads doesn't necessarily reflect the affluence of the average person. It is however amazing that their whole highway system has been built in a mere 15 years or so!
There are also whole newly built 'ghost towns' full of apartments and houses that nobody lives in because they can't afford them. So much for communism providing a home for everyone...
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Old 03-05-2014, 06:29 PM
 
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It is beyond serious debate that, for the vast majority of its citizens, China is much better off than pre-reform days. However, the real question is if it will prove worth the cost. The country is now an ecological basket case. There is no area of the country that is not seriously polluted. Practically ALL water is contaminated, there is NO decent air quality, food and product safety is a joke. The leaders absolutely do not care--they got theirs, and their kids all study abroad and have escape hatches. It is the common people who are screwed. So, short answer: yes, people are better off now. Long answer: they are still f*cked.
"There is no area of the country that is not seriously polluted. Practically ALL water is contaminated, there is NO decent air quality, food and product safety is a joke. " I think Your view is too extreme. Many areas such as remote mountain areas in China which have not been explored and developed still enjoy clear water, fresh air and green food.
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Old 03-05-2014, 06:33 PM
 
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There are also whole newly built 'ghost towns' full of apartments and houses that nobody lives in because they can't afford them. So much for communism providing a home for everyone...
Well to be fair China is not really communist anymore, they're like an odd hybrid of socialism, state capitalism, free-market lunacy and totalitarian nationalism. I'd say they share some similarities to the Nazi ideology actually though of course less blazenly racist.
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Old 03-05-2014, 06:39 PM
 
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Cost of living in those countries is low. 100 dollars means lot of money in India as compared to USA. Cable TV with 125 channels cost around 5 dollars in India. Car insurance is like 20 dollars per year. X-Ray cost 1 Dollar, Root canal surgery for tooth cost 20 dollars. 1 cup of coffee is like 10 cents. You dont have to buy car if you cant afford it-Public Transportation is there. College tuition will not cost more then 1000 dollars per year. Food is damn cheap. Even with low salaries, people are able to save, invest. How many people are struggling to make payments for Student Loan or Home mortgage in those countries???
Both countries are much better off then what they were 20 years back. Jobs, infrastructure, education, health care and most important thing is upward mobility. In those countries, earning saving investing money is deemed as success.

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