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Old 04-08-2014, 11:11 PM
 
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I feel as if China is only really influential on Mongolia, North Korea, and somewhat Russia, maybe some of the Central and West Asian nations as well, due to economic ties. Japan and South Korea are powerful enough to not be 'influenced' by any country except perhaps the USA. But they have their own unique culture. India influences South and Southeast Asia.
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Old 04-09-2014, 01:58 AM
 
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I feel as if China is only really influential on Mongolia, North Korea, and somewhat Russia, maybe some of the Central and West Asian nations as well, due to economic ties. Japan and South Korea are powerful enough to not be 'influenced' by any country except perhaps the USA. But they have their own unique culture. India influences South and Southeast Asia.
We're talking about historical influences and influence on what the culture is. I think the Chinese influence throughout much of Asia is undeniable. Almost every country in Asia has been influenced by China in at least some way. There are even port cities in southern India with traditional dances/opera like things that were largely adapted from travelling Chinese performers believe it or not.
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Old 04-09-2014, 03:04 AM
 
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Although India's influence historical influence on Southeast Asia is undisputed, I simply don't believe that any modern Southeast Asian nations look up to India for political, economical, philosophical, or spiritual guidance of any sort. I am very biased, however, because I feel India's influence as largely superficial and largely contained to certain things like material arts, names, and religion. But more than anything else, S.E. Asia follows its own style, sensibilities, and nuances largely not found in India. You won't find anything resembling a Thai wat or the costumes of the Royal Ballet of Cambodia in India, or am I wrong? Is it wrong for me to believe that although once inspired by India, SE Asia had grown a fully mature and independent civilization of its own?

Also, i don't buy the idea that China has so much of an impact on Southeast Asia either aside from all the immigrants. People treat China like some monolithic entity that developed everything on its own but I think other regions have influenced China's development more than most let on. Let us not forget that Buddhism came from India. Also, depictions and iconography of lions probably came from Central Asia as lions are not native to China.
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Old 04-09-2014, 03:25 AM
 
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Although India's influence historical influence on Southeast Asia is undisputed, I simply don't believe that any modern Southeast Asian nations look up to India for political, economical, philosophical, or spiritual guidance of any sort. I am very biased, however, because I feel India's influence as largely superficial and largely contained to certain things like material arts, names, and religion. But more than anything else, S.E. Asia follows its own style, sensibilities, and nuances largely not found in India. You won't find anything resembling a Thai wat or the costumes of the Royal Ballet of Cambodia in India, or am I wrong? Is it wrong for me to believe that although once inspired by India, SE Asia had grown a fully mature and independent civilization of its own?

Also, i don't buy the idea that China has so much of an impact on Southeast Asia either aside from all the immigrants. People treat China like some monolithic entity that developed everything on its own but I think other regions have influenced China's development more than most let on. Let us not forget that Buddhism came from India. Also, depictions and iconography of lions probably came from Central Asia as lions are not native to China.
Well the India that influenced SEA is a different entity than the one now, although some things are similar. For instance, Buddhism was the dominant religion during the reign of Ashoka in northern India at least, I feel the south with the Cholas was always more of a Hindu stronghold. The ancestors of the Thai wats would be the stupas of India, most famously the Great Stupa at Sanchi:

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The Chinese influence in SEA is considerable. Chinese migration to SEA is actually very old, there was a very old Chinese kingdom in Borneo, for instance. Vietnam notwithstanding, the Thai language, cuisine, and some aspects of culture were influenced by China even before the Dai migration. Cambodia less so but there's still some influence. Linguistically names like 'Hun Sen', clearly point to a relationship with China.
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Old 04-09-2014, 11:53 PM
 
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Well the India that influenced SEA is a different entity than the one now, although some things are similar.
Wouldn't the same hold for the China that influenced SEA (as opposed to the current political entity)?

Wouldn't you say that India or China both changed since either one influenced SEA, so that SEA has an identity equally separate from both? China has undergone a cultural revolution that destroyed much of its old ways, while India experienced a couple centuries of British rule, plus Muslim rule for centuries but Muslims influenced SEA too.
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Old 04-10-2014, 05:03 AM
 
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Wouldn't the same hold for the China that influenced SEA (as opposed to the current political entity)?

Wouldn't you say that India or China both changed since either one influenced SEA, so that SEA has an identity equally separate from both? China has undergone a cultural revolution that destroyed much of its old ways, while India experienced a couple centuries of British rule, plus Muslim rule for centuries but Muslims influenced SEA too.
They have, but Chinese influence has been greater of late, particularly through immigration. 40% of Thais are supposed to have at least some Chinese ancestry, including most of their kings and prime ministers.
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Old 04-10-2014, 05:36 AM
 
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