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Old 03-14-2014, 06:35 PM
 
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I asked a while ago about China vs. India's influence in SEA or Asia in general.

Which regions would you place as either one's sphere of influence?

Some are very clear. Pakistan, Sri Lanka and Bangladesh are obviously in India's sphere. Japan, Korea and Vietnam are obviously in China's sphere or zone of influence.

Would you extend these zones further? Where would you place each one's influence? They overlap in SEA, I'm assuming.
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Old 03-14-2014, 06:55 PM
 
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Thailand, Cambodia, Indonesia, Laos - Indian influence is more in the past, while Chinese influence is more recent, i would say Indian influence is more appealing in Indonesia than of China, not sure about the rest because Chinese migrants influence that heavily.. Many SEA people (except Vietnam) have their name based on Sanskrit.
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Old 03-14-2014, 06:59 PM
 
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So, going by modern or current standards (not ancient history), would you say China's zone of influence is felt more there (in SEA) than India's?
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Old 03-14-2014, 07:04 PM
 
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So, going by modern or current standards (not ancient history), would you say China's zone of influence is felt more there (in SEA) than India's?
Hmmm i would have to say yes, with Chinese migrants all of over the place and occasional sights of Chinese influenced architecture, food and cultural practices. There isn't that much left of India's influence, except its ancient ruined temples. Buddhism is probably its largest influence, but they have been associated more with China as Buddhism sharply declined in India.
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Old 03-14-2014, 07:06 PM
 
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Aren't there still some recent Indian migrants in SEA? I'm thinking of Malaysia (but even then, Chinese are greater in number) in particular, don't really know about others.
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Old 03-14-2014, 07:11 PM
 
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India and China's influence is so pervasive throughout Asia and the world, but yes, there are regions which are obviously more influenced by one or the other. The 'Sinosphere' includes China, Taiwan, Korea, Vietnam, Japan, while the 'Indosphere' includes the Indian sub-continent and Burma, Thailand, Cambodia, Laos. Indonesia and Malaysia also have that influence (old Indic kingdoms, Sanskrit influence/loanwords on Malay).

I would say though that 'Indochina' excluding Vietnam is really a mix of both, with the Indian influence being older in general and the Chinese more recent. Of course, genetically they're a lot closer to Chinese (although there is some Indian mixture among the Khmer, some Javanese, Malays and especially some Burmese). For instance in Thailand the cuisine is a mix of both (noodles from China, curries from India), the language is more like Chinese but also has Sanskrit, Pali and other loanwords, the script is Brahmic-derived too. Buddhism while now more associated with China than India, was introduced via Ceylonese Buddhist missionaries/monks actually, not from China. The Dai people came from China of course.
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Old 03-14-2014, 07:15 PM
 
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So, going by modern or current standards (not ancient history), would you say China's zone of influence is felt more there (in SEA) than India's?
Definitely. Vietnam is a given, Laos has a tribal feel with similarities to the tribal minorities in neighbouring Yunnan, Thailand feels more Chinese now, especially with the many Chinese tourists (40% of Thais have some Chinese ancestry, I imagine those with Indian ancestry is much much lower). Malaysia and Singapore have large Chinese communities, of course, the latter being majority ethnic Chinese. The Indian presence is strongest in Malaysia and Singapore, but there are some Indians scattered throughout.
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Old 03-14-2014, 07:18 PM
 
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Aren't there still some recent Indian migrants in SEA? I'm thinking of Malaysia (but even then, Chinese are greater in number) in particular, don't really know about others.
Yes, Indians have been coming to Malaysia for a long time now, as long as the Chinese really (in large numbers), largely to work as labourers, many were brought by the British. Now Malaysia is about 10% Indian, and the community is pretty visible in places like Brickfields, Penang, and some of the larger cities. I remember as a kid going to some Indian villages which were rural but all Indian. A lot of Indians there maintain their culture a lot.
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Old 03-14-2014, 07:34 PM
 
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Definitely. Vietnam is a given, Laos has a tribal feel with similarities to the tribal minorities in neighbouring Yunnan, Thailand feels more Chinese now, especially with the many Chinese tourists (40% of Thais have some Chinese ancestry, I imagine those with Indian ancestry is much much lower). Malaysia and Singapore have large Chinese communities, of course, the latter being majority ethnic Chinese. The Indian presence is strongest in Malaysia and Singapore, but there are some Indians scattered throughout.
There are some scale of indian migration hundreds of years ago, some are also from indian conquest of sumatra and the most recent is through colonialism. They come as migrant and settled in few major city only, kampung keling in Medan and Pasar Baru in Jakarta is well known to be indian quarter, but the ones in Jakarta have scattered themself throughout the city.
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Old 03-17-2014, 07:16 PM
 
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