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Old 08-19-2015, 11:48 AM
 
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Tibet should not be a part of China because they are different from the Chinese but yes tibet is a part of china right now.
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Old 08-19-2015, 12:18 PM
 
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Tibet should not be a part of China because they are different from the Chinese but yes tibet is a part of china right now.
Who says different people can't be part of the same country? Where is your logic?

France, Spain, Belgium, the UK not to mention Canada, the US all have different people under the same roof. Malaysia? Singapore? Should they all be dismembered and separated?

Should Guadeloupe and French Guiana belong to France? They are obviously different!

Country is just a political entity. Nothing more than that. Different US states even have different laws.

I think the Chinese government should give Tibet a referendum about seceding. When it fails by a landslide, everyone will shut up. And if by chance it does pass, China loses very little, but good luck with those Tibetans' life.
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Old 08-19-2015, 01:37 PM
 
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Tibet should not be a part of China because they are different from the Chinese but yes tibet is a part of china right now.
Hawaiians were different from most of not all Americans of all shades, yet they were annexed into the union.
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Old 08-19-2015, 01:45 PM
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Who says different people can't be part of the same country? Where is your logic?

France, Spain, Belgium, the UK not to mention Canada, the US all have different people under the same roof. Malaysia? Singapore? Should they all be dismembered and separated?

Should Guadeloupe and French Guiana belong to France? They are obviously different!

Country is just a political entity. Nothing more than that. Different US states even have different laws.

I think the Chinese government should give Tibet a referendum about seceding. When it fails by a landslide, everyone will shut up. And if by chance it does pass, China loses very little, but good luck with those Tibetans' life.

Ha! It which imaginary world does the Chinese government pay any attention whatsoever as to what its subjugated colonial citizens want?

How about they just stop demolishing thousand year old monasteries. At least they can do that. And not visit upon Tibet the terrible environmental destruction and diabolical pollution that China has visited upon itself. That too.
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Old 08-19-2015, 03:43 PM
 
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Ha! It which imaginary world does the Chinese government pay any attention whatsoever as to what its subjugated colonial citizens want?

How about they just stop demolishing thousand year old monasteries. At least they can do that. And not visit upon Tibet the terrible environmental destruction and diabolical pollution that China has visited upon itself. That too.
Way too much western liberal kool-aid, but good recipe! ROFLOL!!!!
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Old 08-20-2015, 09:35 AM
 
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Yes, i do.
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Old 08-20-2015, 12:11 PM
 
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Ha! It which imaginary world does the Chinese government pay any attention whatsoever as to what its subjugated colonial citizens want?

How about they just stop demolishing thousand year old monasteries. At least they can do that. And not visit upon Tibet the terrible environmental destruction and diabolical pollution that China has visited upon itself. That too.
too much propaganda, too little substance.

The Chinese government did far more to improve the living standards of Tibetans than US/Canada did to their aboriginals. Subjugated citizens, do you even know those citizens were slaves before China took over? You probably had no idea. You like most free-Tibet westerns think Tibet was some sort of paradise before the Chinese "invaded", don't you?

What thousand year old monasteries? People like you don't know about Tibet's history. Let me ask you, did you know prior to 1950, Tibet was essentially a slave economy, where 2% of the monks ruled 98% of the serfs who didn't have any basic human rights? They hardly had enough to feed themselves and the masters could pretty much do anything they wanted to them. It is really not so different from the black slaves before the American civil war.

Yes, the privileged monks were definitely worse off after China's administration, because they lost so much of their properties, including slaves and privileges, and the whole religious ruling structure fell apart, if by that you say Tibet lost much of its "identity" or "culture", well that's something worth celebrating. but let's not be stupid enough the deny the fact most of average Tibetans are far better off today than in the 1940s. They have access to free education, basic healthcare, have highways and trains that link them to the rest of the world (before that Tibet is stuck in the middle of the plateau and it is very difficult of even getting out).

You have no idea why miserable lives average Tibetans lived before the evil China occupied it and abolished slavery gradually and gave them some dignity.

"Yep, I am a left wing westerner, I love Tibet! I hate evil Communist China! Tibet should be free! Keep repeating that slogan." It is so ignorant and laughable. I am sure 3 million Tibetans just can't wait to becoming slaves of the Lamas, monks and nuns again.

Tibet is part of China, and will remain so for a long time. Just deal with it.
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Old 08-20-2015, 12:18 PM
 
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It is not a 100 % Han Chinese land.

Han people O3
Tibetan D1b
What? Tibetans are O3, as well. Though they do tend to have some D, which the Han don't have. Tibetans, especially nomads, also have R1a and/or R1b, which the Chinese generally don't have, either.

Not sure what this has to do with anything.
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Old 08-20-2015, 12:23 PM
 
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What? Tibetans are O3, as well. Though they do tend to have some D, which the Han don't have. Tibetans, especially nomads, also have R1a and/or R1b, which the Chinese generally don't have, either.
In fact Han Chinese living in minority regions all tend to have the same patterns as minorities.
But most Han Chinese do not live close to minorities.
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Old 08-20-2015, 12:28 PM
 
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The whole monastic gig in Tibetan culture is a double-edged, or multi-edged sword. One reason Buddhism was suppressed and destroyed by some of the early kings of Tibet was that they were extremely expensive to maintain; all those non-productive adults had to be supported with heavy taxation on the rest of the population. Also, people were fond of their pre-Buddhist religion, and didn't appreciate having that repressed by a new, imported religion.

Furthermore, children were, and still are, allowed to live in the monasteries. Little boys sharing quarters with supposedly celibate adults does not work out well for the boys. You can see cases of unresolved childhood post-traumatic stress among adults in Tibetan communities in exile today, as a result of routine rape they suffered in the monasteries. And the effect of tantric Buddhism on many of Tibet's women (and now the West's women) has been similarly devastating.

Tibetan Buddhism was (still is) far, very far, from humane, and compassion-driven. Though I think some of the monasteries should be preserved simply as works of art, and examples of cultural and artistic heritage, fwiw. Reforms desperately need to be introduced to Tibetan Buddhism, and Asian Buddhism in general.
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