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Old 01-31-2016, 09:36 AM
 
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never trust a communist!
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Old 01-31-2016, 11:30 PM
 
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China forcefully taken the control on Tibet and included it in itself. And because of China's tyranny nobody dared and protested against the Tibet freedom. That's my thought.
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Old 02-01-2016, 12:07 AM
 
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China forcefully taken the control on Tibet and included it in itself. And because of China's tyranny nobody dared and protested against the Tibet freedom. That's my thought.
The Dalai Lama's brother, in his autobiography, "The Noodlemaker of Kalimpong", said that the US and India mainly, and a couple of other countries, repeatedly offered to help Tibet after the Chinese had entered NE Tibet (Qinghai Province, at that time). And the Tibetan government did nothing. Never responded to any of the cables. They didn't believe that China would actually invade and take over.

They were wrong.
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Old 02-01-2016, 09:59 AM
 
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Yes, I think Tibet is a part of China because it currently is. Even the Dalai Lama knows and acknowledges that fact. Whether it should be or not though is a different discussion.
Pretty much. I'd have a different answer on a thread about Taiwan. But Tibet is undoubtedly a part of the PRC today.
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Old 02-01-2016, 10:29 AM
 
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China has NEVER been a country with only one ethnic group. This is fundamentally different from some small countries in Europe.
Even some dynasties/administrations/empires of ancient China were established by minorities, and Chinese people recognize their official status.
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Old 02-01-2016, 05:16 PM
 
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China has NEVER been a country with only one ethnic group. This is fundamentally different from some small countries in Europe.
Even some dynasties/administrations/empires of ancient China were established by minorities, and Chinese people recognize their official status.
They were established not by "minorities" but by foreign nations or peoples who invaded China! The Jin/Manchus, the Liao, the Mongols, were not minorities! China became part of their empires. Even Tibet conquered the capital of China in its time, when the capital was at Chang'an, for a few days. How could a "minority" conquer the country of which it was a part? That makes no sense. These were independent nations that took over China, not Chinese "dynasties".
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Old 02-02-2016, 08:07 PM
 
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They were established not by "minorities" but by foreign nations or peoples who invaded China! The Jin/Manchus, the Liao, the Mongols, were not minorities! China became part of their empires. Even Tibet conquered the capital of China in its time, when the capital was at Chang'an, for a few days. How could a "minority" conquer the country of which it was a part? That makes no sense. These were independent nations that took over China, not Chinese "dynasties".
That's your view based on Western perspective.
Chinese people always recognize them as Chinese dynasties. And this is not "communist propaganda" because ancient Chinese held the same view.
Those groups submitted to China government and had intensive contacts with other people in or near China. When China government became weak, they rebelled and sometimes succeeded. Just cycles like that.

Of course, they are not Han Chinese and people know the difference. But again, China has NEVER been a country with only one ethnic group.

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Old 02-02-2016, 08:10 PM
 
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They were established not by "minorities" but by foreign nations or peoples who invaded China! The Jin/Manchus, the Liao, the Mongols, were not minorities! China became part of their empires. Even Tibet conquered the capital of China in its time, when the capital was at Chang'an, for a few days. How could a "minority" conquer the country of which it was a part? That makes no sense. These were independent nations that took over China, not Chinese "dynasties".
Also, i was not only talking about big dynasties, but also smaller administrations such as those in north China before Sui Dynasty.
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Old 02-02-2016, 08:39 PM
 
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They were established not by "minorities" but by foreign nations or peoples who invaded China! The Jin/Manchus, the Liao, the Mongols, were not minorities! China became part of their empires. Even Tibet conquered the capital of China in its time, when the capital was at Chang'an, for a few days. How could a "minority" conquer the country of which it was a part? That makes no sense. These were independent nations that took over China, not Chinese "dynasties".
Roosevelt and the US considered Tibet to be a part of China. Chiang Kai-Shek was just as brutal to minorities in China as any other previous leaders of China yet no one had a problem with this. It is quite obvious that to most Chinese citizens that Tibetan independence is a ruse to strategically weaken China. I should ask you what exactly does China get out of Tibetan independence and what will the West and Japan give in return to China for Tibetan independence? Losing Tibet means losing a militarily strategic plateau and the watersheds for important rivers that supply water to hundred of millions of Chinese citizens. I suppose China should grant a few million Tibetans independence to land that amounts to 1/4 of China since it is the moral thing to do and things like security and water do not really matter. I guess hundreds of millions of Chinese nationals should suffer from water shortages because it will give the Chinese a good feeling of conscience that they granted independence to a few million Tibetans.
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Old 02-02-2016, 09:05 PM
 
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