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Old 06-19-2014, 09:58 PM
 
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There are also definitely no different between Austroasiantic(Mon-Khmer) race either (Cambodian,Vietnamese, Wa, Blang, Suy, De'ang). All ethnics under this race group shared same origin,same language, same physical appearance.

It might be true a few thousand years ago. After a few thousand years, due to different events, their gene pools and physical appearance differentiated. Except a few tribes in the world who have lived in extremely isolated conditions, almost every other ethnicity shifted their gene pools and physical appearance through a few thousands of years. The Han Chinese are an extreme mixture. So yeah, the modern Vietnamese under the Chinese influence are way different from other Austroasiatic speakers in both gene pools and physical appearance. The modern Thais are way different from the Tai in China due to the mixing with Khmers, Siemese, Malay, Mon, native tribes. In fact, it is proven the Zhuang in China is more genetically close to the Vietnamese, while the Thais in Thailand is more genetically close to the Khmers! while the Zhuang and Thais speak in the same language family while the Khmers and Vietnamese speak in the same language family. How ironic! LOL. The truth must be hard on you, right? With the rate of the intermarriage between Khmers and Chinese nowadays, a few centuries from now, the Khmers will probably look as light as the Southern Chinese.

 
Old 06-19-2014, 10:00 PM
 
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You do realise appearance/genetics doesn't always coincidence with culture and language, right?

Hungarians are obviously a lot closer to Czechs than Bengalis, despite Czechs and Bengalis speaking Indo-European.

Khmer are genetically no closer to Vietnamese than many Southern Chinese peoples, including some Han. Their culture is pretty different too.
Well 90% of the time it does go together. People under same classification do share similar appearance of other ethnics in the same family.

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First of all, I will divine those 56 ethnic in to 7 families. In fact each family will more likely to commonly populated in the same area and sharing similar historical evidence/common root as well as having similar physically appearance .

1. Sino-Tibetan family
2. Tibeto-Burman family
3. Altaic family
4. Tai-Kadai family
5. Mon-Khmer family
6. Hmong-Mien family
7. Turkic family

Sino-Tibetan group(Eastern Tibetan)(populated all over China)

Ethnic Han(the ethnic majority of China that made up to 90% of the population which is basically the everyday Chinese you always encounter with)


Ethnic Hui


Ethnic Bai



Tibeto-Burman group(Western Tibetan)(populated mainly around Tibet and South-Western China)

Ethnic Tibetan


Ethnic Lisu


Ethnic Hani


Ethnic Tujia


Ethnic Yi(also called as "Lolo")


Ethnic Lahu


Ethnic Naxi(also called as "Nakhi")


Ethnic Jingpo(also called as "Kachin")


Ethnic Qiang


Ethnic Achang(also called as "Ngac'ang" and "Maingtha")


Ethnic Pumi


Ethnic Nu(also called as "Nusu", "Nung", "Zauzou" and "Along")


Ethnic Monba(also called as "Monpa")


Ethnic Lhoba



Altaic group(populated mainly around North-Eastern China and North-Central China)

Ethnic Mongol


Ethnic Xibe


Ethnic Dongxiang


Ethnic Tu(also called "Monguor")


Ethnic Daur


Ethnic Evenki(also called as "Tungus" and "Tunguz")


Ethnic Hezhen(also called as "Nanai")


Ethnic Bonan


Ethnic Oroqen


Ethnic Yugur


Ethnic Manchu


Ethnic Korean



Tai-Kadai group(populated mainly around South-Western China)

Ethnic Bouyei(also called as "Puzhong", "Burao" and "Puman")


Ethnic Dong


Ethnic Sui(also called as "Shui")


Ethnic Maonan


Ethnic Gelao


Ethnic Zhuang


Ethnic Dai(Also called as "Lao","Thai" and "Tai')


Mon-Khmer group(populated mainly in South-Eastern China)

Ethnic Jing(also called as "Vietnamese" and "Kinh")


Ethnic Wa(also called as "Va")


Ethnic Blang(also called as "Bulong")


Ethnic De'ang(also called as "Ta'ang" and "Palaung")


Hmong-Mien group(populated mainly around upper part of Southern China and lower part of Central China)
Ethnic Miao


Ethnic Yao


Ethnic She


Turkic group(populated mainly around North-Western China)

Ethnic Uygur


Ethnic Kazak


Ethnic Kirgiz(also called "Kyrghyz" and "Kirghiz")


Ethnic Salar


Outlier group

Ethnic Tajik(populated around far-Western China)


Ethnic Russian(populated around Northern China from Eastern to Western)
 
Old 06-19-2014, 10:03 PM
 
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It might be true a few thousand years ago. After a few thousand years, due to different events, their gene pools and physical appearance differentiated. Except a few tribes in the world who have lived in extremely isolated conditions, almost every other ethnicity shifted their gene pools and physical appearance through a few thousands of years. The Han Chinese are an extreme mixture. So yeah, the modern Vietnamese under the Chinese influence are way different from other Austroasiatic speakers in both gene pools and physical appearance. The modern Thais are way different from the Tai in China due to the mixing with Khmers, Siemese, Malay, Mon, native tribes. In fact, it is proven the Zhuang in China is more genetically close to the Vietnamese, while the Thais in Thailand is more genetically close to the Khmers! while the Zhuang and Thais speak in the same language family while the Khmers and Vietnamese speak in the same language family. How ironic! LOL. The truth must be hard on you, right? With the rate of the intermarriage between Khmers and Chinese nowadays, a few centuries from now, the Khmers will probably look as light as the Southern Chinese.
Well said. The original Thais probably spoke Mon, of the Mon-Khmer, and are close to the Khmer. A lot of Khmer as well as Thai are mixed with Chinese.
 
Old 06-19-2014, 11:45 PM
 
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Originally Posted by eugene_allen View Post
It might be true a few thousand years ago. After a few thousand years, due to different events, their gene pools and physical appearance differentiated. Except a few tribes in the world who have lived in extremely isolated conditions, almost every other ethnicity shifted their gene pools and physical appearance through a few thousands of years. The Han Chinese are an extreme mixture. So yeah, the modern Vietnamese under the Chinese influence are way different from other Austroasiatic speakers in both gene pools and physical appearance. The modern Thais are way different from the Tai in China due to the mixing with Khmers, Siemese, Malay, Mon, native tribes. In fact, it is proven the Zhuang in China is more genetically close to the Vietnamese, while the Thais in Thailand is more genetically close to the Khmers! while the Zhuang and Thais speak in the same language family while the Khmers and Vietnamese speak in the same language family. How ironic! LOL. The truth must be hard on you, right? With the rate of the intermarriage between Khmers and Chinese nowadays, a few centuries from now, the Khmers will probably look as light as the Southern Chinese.
Not at all...it been proven that the Lao and Thai are the most similar to Zhuang in all aspect of origin,physical appearance and language.

Vietnamese on another hand are way more similar to Cambodian and other Mon-Khmer in all aspect of origin,physical appearance and language.

Doesn't matter in what scenario of comparison, in Southeast Asia vs Southeast Asia or in China vs in China, mixed with Han-Chinese vs mixed with Han-Chinese or pure Dai/Tai vs pure Kinh/Jing. Dai/Tai people(ethnic majority of Laos and Thailand) which considered as Tai-Kadai race will still "always" have more East Asian physical appearance than Kinh/Jing people (ethnic majority of Vietnam).

Comparison based on hundreds of athletes in SEA games video......
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Cambodian start at 1:25:34


Vietnamese start at 1:40:46


Thai start at 1:37:15


Lao start at 1:29:25


When compare Vietnamese to Lao and Thai, Vietnamese has darker skin tone as well as has facial feature of flat broad nose+strong prominent cheekbone which is similar to Cambodian.

Aside from cultural relationship, there are Lao and Thai has nothing related to Cambodian in term of origin,physical appearance or language.

On another hand, aside from cultural relationship. Everything Vietnamese has are clearly Mon-Khmer and definitely related to Cambodian in term of origin,physical appearance or language.
 
Old 06-19-2014, 11:50 PM
 
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Well said. The original Thais probably spoke Mon, of the Mon-Khmer, and are close to the Khmer. A lot of Khmer as well as Thai are mixed with Chinese.
That isn't possible. Do you have any "historical" proof? Because this obviously came from your own ideology.

Because the Thai and Lao people never came made it into Southeast Asia today until 700 years ago, before that, they used to lives in the upper Northern area of Southwestern China.

On another hand Vietnamese was the one who lives down in Southeast Asia along with other ethnic Mon-Khmer who classified under Mon-Khmer family for at least 4800 years.


H

And I also don't find how people of Tai-Kadai race such as Lao and Thai could be any similar to people of Mon-Khmer race such as Vietnamese and Cambodian.
 
Old 06-20-2014, 12:12 AM
 
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Not at all...it been proven that the Lao and Thai are the most similar to Zhuang in all aspect of origin,physical appearance and language.

Vietnamese on another hand are way more similar to Cambodian and other Mon-Khmer in all aspect of origin,physical appearance and language.

Doesn't matter in what scenario of comparison, in Southeast Asia vs Southeast Asia or in China vs in China, mixed with Han-Chinese vs mixed with Han-Chinese or pure Dai/Tai vs pure Kinh/Jing. Dai/Tai people(ethnic majority of Laos and Thailand) which considered as Tai-Kadai race will still "always" have more East Asian physical appearance than Kinh/Jing people (ethnic majority of Vietnam).

Comparison based on hundreds of athletes in SEA games video......
Cambodian start at 1:25:34


Vietnamese start at 1:40:46


Thai start at 1:37:15


Lao start at 1:29:25


When compare Vietnamese to Lao and Thai, Vietnamese has darker skin tone as well as has facial feature of flat broad nose+strong prominent cheekbone which is similar to Cambodian.

Aside from cultural relationship, there are Lao and Thai has nothing related to Cambodian in term of origin,physical appearance or language.

On another hand, aside from cultural relationship. Everything Vietnamese has are clearly Mon-Khmer and definitely related to Cambodian in term of origin,physical appearance or language.[/quote]


Did I say anything different from what you said about the origin and languages? Origin (the past): yes. Same language family: yes.

Genetic makeup and physical appearance in present day: No. The modern Thais in Thailand share more genetic elements and skin tones with the Khmers. The Thais in Thailand are way too different from the Zhuang in China. They mixed with Khmers, Malays, Siamese, native tribes, Mon, Chinese. There's a reason why nobody ever commented Thai-Lao has the most East Asian looking, the palest skin among southeast Asians other than yourself On the contrary, they label "Thai" on the pic of a dark skinned person like in the other thread Postman posted. I imagine how upset you are! I know what you're gonna say "they are ignorant people", "stereotype due to culture". The strange thing is I can't see a single "smart" person who agrees with you, even the people who came from Thailand or Laos or the people who travelled to Thailand or Laos or even the farangs (white expats) who live in Thailand!
 
Old 06-20-2014, 12:26 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Mien View Post
That isn't possible. Do you have any "historical" proof? Because this obviously came from your own ideology.

Because the Thai and Lao people never came made it into Southeast Asia today until 700 years ago, before that, they used to lives in the upper Northern area of Southwestern China.

On another hand Vietnamese was the one who lives down in Southeast Asia along with other ethnic Mon-Khmer who classified under Mon-Khmer family for at least 4800 years.


H

And I also don't find how people of Tai-Kadai race such as Lao and Thai could be any similar to people of Mon-Khmer race such as Vietnamese and Cambodian.
First, do you realize the tai-Kadai language speakers lived along with the Khmers, austroasiactics, austronesians also? They were the people who the tai-Kadai language speakers lived along with before the Han Chinese moved down the tai-Kadai language speakers even assimilated them! The Thais are categorized as "Paleo-mongoloid" just like them! And share the same halogroups just like them! adding that they were all Bai Yue and shared similar customs, clothes, culture, I may say ya all could have been united and become one people if the Han Chinese hadn't come down and disrupted
 
Old 06-20-2014, 02:11 AM
 
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Cambodian start at 1:25:34


Vietnamese start at 1:40:46


Thai start at 1:37:15


Lao start at 1:29:25


When compare Vietnamese to Lao and Thai, Vietnamese has darker skin tone as well as has facial feature of flat broad nose+strong prominent cheekbone which is similar to Cambodian.

Aside from cultural relationship, there are Lao and Thai has nothing related to Cambodian in term of origin,physical appearance or language.

On another hand, aside from cultural relationship. Everything Vietnamese has are clearly Mon-Khmer and definitely related to Cambodian in term of origin,physical appearance or language.


Did I say anything different from what you said about the origin and languages? Origin (the past): yes. Same language family: yes.

Genetic makeup and physical appearance in present day: No. The modern Thais in Thailand share more genetic elements and skin tones with the Khmers. The Thais in Thailand are way too different from the Zhuang in China. They mixed with Khmers, Malays, Siamese, native tribes, Mon, Chinese. There's a reason why nobody ever commented Thai-Lao has the most East Asian looking, the palest skin among southeast Asians other than yourself On the contrary, they label "Thai" on the pic of a dark skinned person like in the other thread Postman posted. I imagine how upset you are! I know what you're gonna say "they are ignorant people", "stereotype due to culture". The strange thing is I can't see a single "smart" person who agrees with you, even the people who came from Thailand or Laos or the people who travelled to Thailand or Laos or even the farangs (white expats) who live in Thailand!
The POSTMAN has only been to 2 places in Southern Thailand such as Phuket and Bangkok. While he been to 10 places out of whole Vietnam since Northern to Southern, so any statement he made will not be count because it is definitely biased.

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Genetic makeup and physical appearance in present day: No
It's Yes, for genetic.

The Tai/Dai tribes who are majority of Thailand have the most similar genetic to the Zhuang and Cantonese.


It's also Yes, for physical appearance

Comparison between Cambodian,Vietnamese and Thai side by side(All screen shot are all came from the same video, taken by the same camera, same light effect, same dude handle the camera. So there is 100% fair and no quality biased, no bull$hit.) Plus they are all athletes which are selected based on their ability, not by their look or ethnicity.

Video

Cambodian start at 1:25:34

Vietnamese start at 1:40:46

Thai start at 1:37:15


It's still obvious that the true is the true and there is no "escape" from it that Lao and Thai people(Tai-Kadai race) are the most related to East Asian of all in term of historically,physical appearance and language.

Can you give any explanation why Vietnamese team has darker skin tone look more similar to Cambodian team? While the Thai team has paler skin tone look more like East Asian? If not, then cut the crap off, stop being "jealous" and shut yourself

Anyway, these are the Zhuang ethnic(brother of the Tai/Dai ethnic) and the original Tai/Dai ethnic(ethnic majority of Laos and Thailand which are considered as real Lao and real Thai) who still remain in China. They obviously still look exact the same as athletes of Laos team and athletes Thailand team today.

Tai/Dai ethnic(ethnic majority of Laos and Thailand which are considered as real Lao and real Thai)


Zhuang ethnic(brother of the Tai/Dai ethnic)


So the statement you made of "The modern Thais in Thailand share more genetic elements and skin tones with the Khmers. The Thais in Thailand are way too different from the Zhuang in China." is definitely nothing but big bull$hit of "jealousy".

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Old 06-20-2014, 02:22 AM
 
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Postman posted. I imagine how upset you are! I know what you're gonna say "they are ignorant people", "stereotype due to culture". The strange thing is I can't see a single "smart" person who agrees with you, even the people who came from Thailand or Laos or the people who travelled to Thailand or Laos or even the farangs (white expats) who live in Thailand!
You and the Postman are equally delusional.

Photo game: guess which country they're from

All pics in this topic he created are only contain 1-5 individuals.

Are there any other member who posted in the topic he created ever think that pictures he posted were realistic and are actually represent the average look of population?

Nope....This is what other members said.....

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It's a stupid game, most people are not able to know where those people are from. Why do you expect us to guess when it is impossible to make an educated guess.

Take a look at the guesses, they are not even remotely similar.
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The guy in the sunglasses looks nothing like the typical person in the three countries you listed. I know a ton of Chinese and Vietnamese people and have a slight Thailand infatuation. You cannot use him and say they are all typical looking for those countries.
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how do you know if he didn't meet a korean in vietnam which there are quite a few in saigon. he could've met a japanese in singapore...hell, he could've met japanese in all of those countries. if postman wanted to make this difficult, he might have met a japanese in singapore and asked him to wear a t-shirt written in korean....lol...he might have sat down at a restaurant in malaysia and started to chat up some gal sitting next to him who was actually from china...then take the pic.
 
Old 06-20-2014, 04:59 AM
 
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That isn't possible. Do you have any "historical" proof? Because this obviously came from your own ideology.

Because the Thai and Lao people never came made it into Southeast Asia today until 700 years ago, before that, they used to lives in the upper Northern area of Southwestern China.

On another hand Vietnamese was the one who lives down in Southeast Asia along with other ethnic Mon-Khmer who classified under Mon-Khmer family for at least 4800 years.


H

And I also don't find how people of Tai-Kadai race such as Lao and Thai could be any similar to people of Mon-Khmer race such as Vietnamese and Cambodian.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Thailand

"The oldest known mention of their existence in the region by the exonym Siamese is in a 12th-century A.D. inscription at the Khmer temple complex of Angkor Wat in Cambodia, which refers to syam, or "dark brown" people."

"Prior to the arrival of the Thai people and culture into what is now Thailand, the region hosted a number of indigenous Mon-Khmer and Malay civilizations. Yet little is known about Thailand before the 13th century as the literary and concrete sources are scarce and most of the knowledge about this period is gleaned from archeological evidence."

The Dai genetic component is probably exaggerated because they established the first 'Thai' civilisation. Already when they first arrived the Khmer were familiar with them, and there would be a lot of interchange/conflict between the two civilisations. 'Siem Reap' translates as 'Siam defeated.' The lowland Lao are closely related to Thais.

Today, Thais have a diverse look because they are genetically diverse. Vietnamese have diverse too but seem to have less of a range of looks.

I don't know which one is more 'east Asian' genetically, but there are more examples of quite 'un-Chinese' looking people in Thailand versus Vietnam.

Most Vietnamese could pass for Chinese, even atypical Chinese. Some Thai could not.
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