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Old 04-05-2014, 01:22 PM
 
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80 Mangudadatu Family (Sultan Kudarat, Maguindanao)
11 Ampatuan Family (Maguindanao)

These 2 families are very much controversial in Mindanao. they are rivalries.
They are associated with the Maguindanao massacre, right?
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Old 04-05-2014, 01:28 PM
 
Location: Filipinas
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They are associated with the Maguindanao massacre, right?
yes they are the 2 families involved in the Maguindanao Massacre
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Old 04-05-2014, 01:50 PM
 
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^ Several years later, no one has been severely punished for those crimes yet. It just goes to show how "efficient" the judicial system is carried out in PI.

Perhaps PI should copy their Austronesian neighbors and start caning criminals.
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Old 04-05-2014, 04:03 PM
 
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I just realised something really significant: The Philippines' population is 20 million less than Mexico, GDP per capita 5 times lower than it, but has its rich community what seems about 15-20 times more dynamic and blown up.

this means that the Philippines has an ENORMOUSLY higher inequality than most other countries.

But my point is that if the gov't ever was forced to pass a bill that suddenly forced the oligarchs and dynasties to be broken up all what you see below would litterally collapse! This whole mega rich city zone is being built on the conditions that the country keeps going on the path that these elite and oligarchs have planned the country to go on, which is exploitation of the poor and the confining of the country's wealth in a relatively small portion of the nations population which is what makes people exist to afford what you see below in the photos. And more developments are being put up right now, on expectations that this this elite community continue to control the nation and hold their ground there in Bonificio. The mega Fort Bonifacio city has been built on the foundation of serving this crazy big elite community. So if they pass a bill that forces these clans and things to break up, this city will no longer function to serve this massive elite community and an epic crisis would unfold on this extensive network of buildings that rivals downtown Toronto!. No poor country with such a low GDP per capita and widespread poverty surrounding could support such a behemoth of a super city without this mass network of oligopolies and dynasties which are fueling this.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-UuqO0Qj61f...t+Renders1.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...onifacio_1.JPG

http://www.megaworldcondominiums.com...treet-view.jpg

Philppines letting this rich community exploit and flourish is making towers spring up all over and many developments have amenities being developed for people so rich, they would go out of business even in Toronto, and in a flash in the Phils if the Philippines stopped allowing the elites to control the nation. More in Bonifacio:
http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3353/3...dda06d13_o.jpg

So this more than ever tells me that the Philippines will not permit any changes in the country's situation, cuz if the currently extremely corrupt system were to ever be severed, you would watch Bonifacio (and similarly Makati) go tumbling down.

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Old 04-05-2014, 04:10 PM
 
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I wonder how different PI would be if Benigno Aquino, Jr. lived.
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Old 04-05-2014, 04:19 PM
 
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yes they are the 2 families involved in the Maguindanao Massacre
Yes as I read "we have criminals that commited sexual assault, murders (and something else I forgot) awarded seats in the senate"

This country really is being ruled by criminals. This is not what anyone would want to say about their country, especially since in reality, Filipinos are the nicest people in the world. But they will continue to be controlled by a government that lets criminals govern and for exploitive filthy rich control the country in general, both in all the wealth as well as in the presidents seat.

the next president in the running is the mayor of Makati. He is about as big as you can get for supporting what you see going on here. Watch him put the Philippines in the most solid point it has ever been in terms of being 'taken over' by oligarchs. I read that the most recent elections were the most corrupt in the history of the nation and that grip that they have on all parts of govt like senate/house is at a new all time high.
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Old 04-05-2014, 06:27 PM
 
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Interesting. For being suburban houses, is it common to have the front yard and drive way closed/gated? If it's more for practical than aesthetic/decorative purposes, it makes me wonder about the crime rate in those "suburban" areas.
Houses that look like that are normally in gated communities. Outside the gated communities, the fences are so high you can't see the front yard or even the house. It's just for practical purposes, and in gated communities, people just got used to the high fences and it's just no one would like to have no fence or the lowest fence in the community.


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You can't really determine the ancestry from the last name though. The Spanish last names could either be Spanish or Filipino (or mestizo), and perhaps some Chinese families adopted Spanish or Austronesian last names to assimilate/blend in the host population.

Does anyone think it would be a good idea to have the Davao mayor run for president in the next election?


Like in any country though, these is always a huge relationship between business and politics. Therefore the Chinoys do have political influence in an indirect sense. In fact, that would be very keen of them to do so to influence things under the radar.
In the Philippines, the last name is a good indication of the ancestry, although not entirely accurate. There are pure-blooded Chinoys with non-Chinese surnames but the number is very few. There are more mestizos that have Chinese surnames, and in the Philippines, mestizos who do not speak Chinese or practice Chinese culture are no longer considered Chinese.

Most Chinoys are not into politics because being Chinese is a liability in the elections and it's not easy to win one.
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Old 04-05-2014, 06:55 PM
 
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^ is crime rising in the Phils?
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Old 04-05-2014, 10:08 PM
 
Location: Filipinas
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Houses that look like that are normally in gated communities. Outside the gated communities, the fences are so high you can't see the front yard or even the house. It's just for practical purposes, and in gated communities, people just got used to the high fences and it's just no one would like to have no fence or the lowest fence in the community.



In the Philippines, the last name is a good indication of the ancestry, although not entirely accurate. There are pure-blooded Chinoys with non-Chinese surnames but the number is very few. There are more mestizos that have Chinese surnames, and in the Philippines, mestizos who do not speak Chinese or practice Chinese culture are no longer considered Chinese.

Most Chinoys are not into politics because being Chinese is a liability in the elections and it's not easy to win one.
and a lot of Chinese are into drug related business too.
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Old 04-06-2014, 12:55 AM
 
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Interesting. For being suburban houses, is it common to have the front yard and drive way closed/gated? If it's more for practical than aesthetic/decorative purposes, it makes me wonder about the crime rate in those "suburban" areas.


Do you think that slum would have not been cleaned/improved if it was not filmed in the first place? It seems like the motivation to clean up was due to publicity reasons.


You can't really determine the ancestry from the last name though. The Spanish last names could either be Spanish or Filipino (or mestizo), and perhaps some Chinese families adopted Spanish or Austronesian last names to assimilate/blend in the host population.

Does anyone think it would be a good idea to have the Davao mayor run for president in the next election?


Like in any country though, these is always a huge relationship between business and politics. Therefore the Chinoys do have political influence in an indirect sense. In fact, that would be very keen of them to do so to influence things under the radar.
they were already starting to clean up the slum during the filming. That's what the whole part about the rich woman and the relocation was about. They cleaned it up and it looks much nicer.

I'm not sure why they have fences around individual houses, the whole neighborhood is gated. I think houses in Alabang and Forbes Park in Makati have fences around them maybe because they were built when the whole neighborhood wasn't gated and had security?. Thats just a guess. Those neighborhoods are several decades old.

I noticed that the most of the newer neighborhoods in various areas dont have gates around individual houses. These are newer ones in Alabang
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